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Could Baker Have Been Retained?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:23 am
Trying to recall why he moved on.
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:24 am to AlwysATgr
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Trying to recall why he moved on.
Because Matt House coached LBs.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:26 am to AlwysATgr
it's silly but with regime changes you gotta cut everyone. Ed Orgeron had a toxic culture and almost everyone had to go.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:28 am to AlwysATgr
feels like CBK wanted to completely reset the staff with the exception of Davis. and i don't blame him for that, the program was toxic under orgeron at the end.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:34 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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it's silly but with regime changes you gotta cut everyone. Ed Orgeron had a toxic culture and almost everyone had to go.
Meh. Baker was well-liked here and hung around until the rest of the hires were made. Like Brad Davis who WAS retained, he was also only here for a year and not really a big player in any program culture problems. The main one likely let go for those reasons on the defensive side was Raymond due to the shape of that room when Kelly arrived.
Baker was likely just a typical casualty of a coaching transition. A new head coach may keep one or two, but they are mostly going to bring in their own choices. Baker coached LBs and that was House’s position group. He’s coached Safeties too, but Kelly brought in a guy who worked for him at ND for that role.
And what if Baker had been retained as our Safeties Coach? He wouldn’t have been DC and likely would have just been let go with the rest of the staff like Cooks. He wasn’t going to save this defense from that spot, so I don’t understand all of the hand-wringing over him being let go 2 years ago.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:35 am to misey94
I'm not saying Baker was a culture problem. I'm just playing devil's advocate as to why maybe Kelly made the decision. Also since House was the LB coach as well.
Baker is my go all in for hire. I think he's a homerun and I hope his wife is in his ear
Baker is my go all in for hire. I think he's a homerun and I hope his wife is in his ear
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:24 am to BMoney
Our culture was crap. I don't blame BK for wanting to start fresh.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:27 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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Baker is my go all in for hire. I think he's a homerun and I hope his wife is in his ear
Point taken.
I like Baker and wouldn’t be disappointed with hiring him, but I would take Minter over him by a mile if we can get him.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:36 pm to misey94
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I like Baker and wouldn’t be disappointed with hiring him, but I would take Minter over him by a mile if we can get him.
Oh, it's Jesse Minter, the Michigan DC, and not Kevin Minter, the LSU linebacker?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:48 pm to misey94
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Baker was likely just a typical casualty of a coaching transition.
I did not recall if Baker had already found a new gig or if CBK decided not to retain him and then he left.
What's frustrating is how close we were to playing for a natty this year except for the train wreck on defense.
So now, we're apparently entertaining bringing Baker back? Had we just kept him on staff then, we would be playing for it all next week?
Makes me wanna dig up a sprinkler head and answer all my spam calls.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:51 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Hello BRAD DAVIS
Posted on 1/4/24 at 1:57 pm to AlwysATgr
I think saying we were close to playing for a championship this year is quite an exaggeration. I mean we lost not 1 , not 2, but 3 games. I get our offense was extremely good but there are too many variables at play in the what if game.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:08 pm to Brazos
I don't think it's much of an exaggeration to think that with an average defense, we could've won 2/3 games at least.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:14 pm to AlwysATgr
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So now, we're apparently entertaining bringing Baker back? Had we just kept him on staff then, we would be playing for it all next week?
That’s not what would have happened. He was never going to get consideration as the DC. He was hired to be our LB Coach a year removed from being fired from Miami and having a terrible defense. Now he was likely the fall guy for Manny Diaz and that was definitely HIS defense, but still. Baker was working his way back up and Kelly would have been blasted for making that move. IF Baker had stayed, it would have been as out Safeties coach. He wouldn’t have rescued our defense as a position coach.
Keep in mind that Mizzou didn’t hire him as their DC, either. He was hired as a Safeties coach and then their DC left for the NFL late in the game. Baker was elevated rather than then doing a search so late after the season. It worked out well for them, but it was a risk.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:14 pm to AlwysATgr
Yall do realize Baker became the defensive coordinator at Mizzu right? Yall do remember he was a position coach at LSU right? Even if we retained him, Mizzzu would have hired him away.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:16 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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it's silly but with regime changes you gotta cut everyone. Ed Orgeron had a toxic culture and almost everyone had to go.
I dont think it's silly. BK had to turn the culture and didn't have time to get to know the staff. Ironically, O's last staff was better than Kelly's.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:32 pm to 167back
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Hello BRAD DAVIS
Brad Davis was only here a couple of months before they fired Orgeron. Almost every regime change retains at least one coach so the players have a familiar face around. Saban kept Michael Haywood from the Dinardo era b/c he was a good coach and the players liked him. Brad Davis is a great coach. I imagine from BK's view upon arrival and hearing how F'd up the culture was in the program, Davis made the most sense b/c he hadn't been there long enough to be influenced by Orgeron. Keep in mind, Kelly didn't just fire Orgeron's coaching staff, he cleaned house inside the whole program (i.e. moffit, office staff, etc)
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:32 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Yall do realize Baker became the defensive coordinator at Mizzu right? Yall do remember he was a position coach at LSU right? Even if we retained him, Mizzzu would have hired him away.
Let me say this again for the people who can’t read- MIZZOU DID NOT HIRE BLAKE BAKER TO BE THEIR DC. He was hired to be their Safeties coach, their DC left. He had DC experience and elevating him meant they didn’t have to do a coaching search outside the normal window. But they did not hire him as a DC and it’s unlikely any P5 program would have. If he hadn’t lucked into that great situation, he probably would have had to go back to a G5 school and prove himself as an DC again after Miami.
But full credit to the man for jumping on the opportunity and making a lot of money in the process.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:03 pm to Handsome Pete
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Our culture was crap. I don't blame BK for wanting to start fresh.
Without the lucky break in getting Daniels and his remarkable improvement, what makes our culture any different now. Without Daniels, where would we be? .500. Probably less this season.
I have never seen an LSU team, ridicule their Coordinator when he was fired, as is happening now.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:54 pm to misey94
quote:You said a lot of words just to say they hired him as DC.
Let me say this again for the people who can’t read- MIZZOU DID NOT HIRE BLAKE BAKER TO BE THEIR DC. He was hired to be their Safeties coach, their DC left. He had DC experience and elevating him meant they didn’t have to do a coaching search outside the normal window. But they did not hire him as a DC and it’s unlikely any P5 program would have. If he hadn’t lucked into that great situation, he probably would have had to go back to a G5 school and prove himself as an DC again after Miami.
But full credit to the man for jumping on the opportunity and making a lot of money in the process.
Did they not lose a DC? Do you think they didn't know prior that he had DC experience? Do you think they didn't know prior that they could be losing the other DC? Are yall this silly all the time?
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