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re: Compare Paul Maneiri and Brian Kelly

Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:36 pm to
One won a NC, the other one will not
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:05 pm to
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Compare Paul Maneiri and Brian Kelly


Two peas in a pod

But one has a Natty and the other never will
Posted by OldMailman
Member since Jan 2022
299 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:07 pm to
Maneri has a National Championship, Kelly doesn’t!
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:20 pm to
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Maneri


No such person.
Posted by ElderTiger
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 5:21 pm to
One of these guys has won a Natty !
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 5:44 pm to
Mainieri



Sauce
Posted by OldMailman
Member since Jan 2022
299 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:30 pm to
Maneiri. There I spelled it right, does that fulfill your life now? And there might be a Maneri somewhere in life, or do you know everything to say there isn’t?
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:45 pm to
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but realistically his three year window to a championship is more likely 5-6 years.


that is exactly what we are staring down the barrel of.
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 5:19 am to
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Manieri. There I spelled it right


Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61634 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 5:51 am to
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CBK is also lowering fan expectations much like Paul did.

Paul changed baseball expectations from being in Omaha every year to being in Omaha every three to four years

CBK has done the same with football. A 9-3 regular season is now considered good by a majority of fans. Les Miles was told that 9 wins wasn’t good enough at LSU

Sad sad days



This is revisionist history.

Let's take a look at Miles' last two full seasons:

2014: 8-4 (SEC 4-4), losses to Mississippi State, 5 Auburn, 5 Alabama, Arkansas

He lost to BK and Notre Dame in the bowl game to finish at 8-5.

2015: 8-3 (SEC 5-3) three straight losses to 4 Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss.

Won the bowl game over unranked Texas Tech to finish 9-3.

Over his last two full seasons, Les went 9-7 in the SEC, that's what got him fired, as well as some awful clock mismanagement within that time.

Then with a start of 2-2 in 2016, Les seemed to be in a major decline.

Over Kelly's first two seasons, he's went 12-4 vs the SEC (12-5 with the SECCG loss to UGA), with a much worse roster.
Posted by ELLSSUU
Member since Jan 2005
7696 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:04 am to
Wholly find new ways to be miserable Batman!

It's a college age sport. Entertainment. It's not cancer. Sit back and enjoy it for what it is. If you cannot then reevaluate your priorities.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 6:16 am
Posted by Pelican fan99
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 6:42 am to
They both inherited a shite show
Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
2998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 7:11 am to
Kelly HAS been recruiting at an elite level since getting to LSU.

Since becoming head coach in 2022, LSU's recruiting ranking:

2022 #12
2023 #5
2024 #7
2025 #3

This is the first year LSU has had a full roster. That #5 class are sophomores, and that #7 class are true freshman. Kelly, has absolutely recruited at a high level. But those past 2 elite classes aren't even draft eligible. They are young, they are learning, and they will get better.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19082 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:12 am to
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2023 #5


Is this right? This means we should have a solid group of talented sophomores. But on O, there's Kaleb and Chester (?). All our top WRs are transfers.

On what appears to be a talent deficient D, there's Womack, Weeks, and Stamps.

Guess I expect more from a #5 rated class.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39247 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:33 am to
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despite being handed the keys to top of the line programs


Perhaps you are too young to remember what an absolute disaster the end of the Smoke Laval era was.

But you should remember the disaster at end of the O era

You can say you don’t think the rebuild is going fast enough or well enough… but you can’t deny a rebuild was necessary.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61634 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:46 am to
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Is this right? This means we should have a solid group of talented sophomores. But on O, there's Kaleb and Chester (?). All our top WRs are transfers.

On what appears to be a talent deficient D, there's Womack, Weeks, and Stamps.

Guess I expect more from a #5 rated class.


247 Composite ranked it #6.

You've already lost one 5* in Lance Heard, the other was Womack who is basically a situational pass rusher at this point.

Have also lost Jalen Brown, Jaxon Howard, Christian Braithwaite, Khai Prean, Mac Markway, Jackson McGohan, Jeremiah Hughes, Michael Daugherty (I believe), and Conner Gilbreath, just off the top of my head.

Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
2998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:25 am to
You shouldn't. It's rare for freshman and sophomores to beat out upperclassmen. Most players that get drafted in their 3rd year out of highschool don't really breakeout until some part of their 2nd year, then ball out in their 3rd year. We have guys that are staring to flash from that #5 class. Pimpton, Stamps, Chester, Womack, Whit Weeks. Those guys are getting better each day.

Also, the reason 3 of our 4 best recievers are transfers is because they keep getting drafted in 3 years. We can't keep them around long enough.
Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
2998 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:33 am to
Do you think that other teams don't lose some non contributing players out of their top 10 classes?

Womack is playing 2nd string behind Savion Jones, who on3 also had ranked as a 5 star.

Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State lose 5 stars and multiple 4 stars every year from the transfer portal.

The defense isn't talent deficient. The talent is there, but its young, and poor coaching delayed their development for a year. 2025-2027 is likely the years we are preseason top 5 every year. Last year was our title shot, but the horrendous defensive coaching blew it. This year is the YOLO year where we have a chance if everything goes right.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
16701 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:49 am to
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CBK has done the same with football. A 9-3 regular season is now considered good by a majority of fans. Les Miles was told that 9 wins wasn’t good enough at LSU Sad sad days

Focus on your lawsuit, Les, that’s all you have left now. Let the anger go and just polish your ring and enjoy your money every day.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19082 posts
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:24 am to
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Hurricane2020


Sorry, but I'm not buying what you're selling.

quote:

It's rare for freshman and sophomores to beat out upperclassmen.


This needs to be qualified by how talented the underclassmen are vs how talented the upperclassmen are. If our D was stocked with projected high-round upperclassmen I would readily agree. It's basically "wait your turn" mode for the underclassmen. But that is demonstrably NOT the case.

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Also, the reason 3 of our 4 best recievers are transfers is because they keep getting drafted in 3 years. We can't keep them around long enough.


We have had an unbroken string of top-shelf WRs for at least 20 years. Most of whom leave early. I don't think any were transfers. We've not had a problem back-filling the WR position through recruiting. IMO, you've got it 180 degrees out-of-phase. I like our WR corps, but the reason they're all transfers is because CBK hasn't recruited the position well out of HS.
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