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re: Collegiate baseball pre season all Americans
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:14 am to ell_13
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:14 am to ell_13
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There is no “should be” when it comes to pitching. Don’t be surprised if games are pieced together where starters only go 3-5 innings as part of the plan and then your ride the hot arm as long as possible after. It’s going to be a whole new world for LSU when it comes to how the pitching is handled. People aren’t going to like it and we are going to have to explain it over and over to the mouth breathing football fans who show up in game threads.
Jay Johnson isn't going to Kevin Cash our pitching staff, unless they leave him no choice.
I don't think we'll be piecing anything together in any way that would be unusual to how we pieced a lot together last year. Only this staff has more upside, and if things break right, it could be really good.
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Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:22 am to Metaloctopus
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Jay Johnson isn't going to Kevin Cash our pitching staff, unless they leave him no choice.
That's the thing. Right now only Hilliard has proven he can make it through an SEC lineup more than once consistently. We may not have a choice.
I don't think we'll go full tilt Tampa either, because the more decisions you have to make on who to bring in, the more opportunity you have to be wrong. And college guys shouldn't be managed like pro guys. Longer outings fewer times per week is better on the arm and a guy throwing an inning three times in one week.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:36 am to Metaloctopus
quote:What I described isn’t what Cash did.
Jay Johnson isn't going to Kevin Cash our pitching staff,
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:42 am to ProjectP2294
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That's the thing. Right now only Hilliard has proven he can make it through an SEC lineup more than once consistently. We may not have a choice.
Yeah, this much is definitely true. But I expect someone will step up out of the group of Reyzelman, Coleman, Lansville and Devin Fontenot. There are other candidates, but those are the guys, in my mind at least, who stand the best chance to give us quality innings more than one time through the order.
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I don't think we'll go full tilt Tampa either, because the more decisions you have to make on who to bring in, the more opportunity you have to be wrong. And college guys shouldn't be managed like pro guys. Longer outings fewer times per week is better on the arm and a guy throwing an inning three times in one week.
I agree with this, which is why I don't expect this staff to be managed the way ell was suggesting. Unless, again, it just becomes absolutely necessary, because no one is getting it done. I sure hope that wouldn't happen.
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:45 am to ell_13
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What I described isn’t what Cash did.
What you described is the Tampa way. Not sure why you would argue that.
The only difference is Tampa has openers that go the first inning, and then he has his "starter" goes 3 to five innings, if he can squeeze that much out. If they look just a little off, he'll pretty much bullpen the whole game. That was pretty much what you alluded to.
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:51 am to ProjectP2294
Some guys just get that look in their eye when they're mowing - he'll let guys like that push it a little bit when they have that look. Devin, Reyzelman, Hilliard, Javen, maybe even Edwards could all be guys that he lets extend.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:51 am to Metaloctopus
So… not the Tampa way.
Most MLB starters these days only go 4-6 innings.
2020 and 2021 averaged less than 5 innings per start.
Most MLB starters these days only go 4-6 innings.
2020 and 2021 averaged less than 5 innings per start.
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:59 am to DRock88
Coleman wasn’t very good twice through the lineup this fall.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 11:59 am to DRock88
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Some guys just get that look in their eye when they're mowing - he'll let guys like that push it a little bit when they have that look. Devin, Reyzelman, Hilliard, Javen, maybe even Edwards could all be guys that he lets extend.
That's really the only way to find out if we will have someone get from 2x to 3x by the time regionals start.
Even just one guy you can count on for 3x reduces the number of decisions (thus reducing the potential number of wrong decisions).
I could see an opener being used from time to time to let someone extend into the third time a little easier. Say you get an opener in the first and he faces 4 batters, that means your "starter" can go more than 2x more easily because the first guy he'll face a third time is the 5 hole hitter instead of the lead off guy.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:02 pm to ProjectP2294
Choosing to leave a guy in too long can be a wrong decision for every batter you allow him to pitch to. PM proved that.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:07 pm to ell_13
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Choosing to leave a guy in too long can be a wrong decision for every batter you allow him to pitch to. PM proved that.
Having a plan and developing a deeper staff can both address the issue of leaving a guy in too long. Both of those are things the former coaching staff seemed to struggle with.
They never had a plan to say "If this then that" so a guy was always left in too long because they needed time to react and get someone warming. I'm hopeful the new staff will be proactive.
Even if it means someone warms up but doesn't come in. (as long as they don't get hot on friday and saturday only to come in and get shelled on sunday)
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:12 pm to ell_13
Coleman is better suited to certain lineups/hitters. You can tell pretty quickly what you're gonna get out of him. I hope he keeps evolving, though.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:23 pm to Metaloctopus
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Jay Johnson isn't going to Kevin Cash our pitching staff, unless they leave him no choice.
Every interview he gives, he certainly implies this will be the approach
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:45 pm to ell_13
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So… not the Tampa way.
Most MLB starters these days only go 4-6 innings.
2020 and 2021 averaged less than 5 innings per start.
... What?
What you described was starters going 3-5 innings at most. That is the Tampa way. The only difference is that first inning is almost always a designated guy to face the top of the order one time. Then, they bring in the "starter" and ride them for a while if they are hot, but if not, the hook is quick. They don't care about eating innings and letting guys try to find their stuff.
It's the same philosophy. Cash has less flexibility to allow bullpen guys to extend, with MLB being a far more condensed schedule, but it's the same principle of mixing and matching, and having excessively short leashes for guys in order to follow a certain statistical script.
This isn't MLB, though, and I don't expect it to be that helter skelter, unless the whole staff just turns out to be terrible.
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/21/21 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
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Every interview he gives, he certainly implies this will be the approach
We must be watching different interviews, then. All I get out of his interviews is that he's not going to have hard and fast rules, such as a defined closer/setup man. He's going to go with who's pitching well in those situations. And I'm ALL for that.
What I'm talking about with Cash is more involved than that. I won't repeat myself there.
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 12/21/21 at 1:09 pm to Metaloctopus
quote:It’s the MLB way now. Again, starters are averaging less than 5 innings.
What you described was starters going 3-5 innings at most. That is the Tampa way.
quote:Kind of a major difference yes? Really the only difference from other MLB teams these days.
The only difference is that first inning is almost always a designated guy to face the top of the order one time.
Posted on 12/21/21 at 1:12 pm to nicholastiger
Oh we are going to absolutely frick kids
Edit: 18+ Years of age of course.
Edit: 18+ Years of age of course.
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/21/21 at 1:24 pm to Ryan3232
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Oh we are going to absolutely frick kids
Posted on 12/21/21 at 1:26 pm to Ryan3232
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Oh we are going to absolutely frick kids
Posted on 12/21/21 at 1:34 pm to Metaloctopus
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All I get out of his interviews is that he's not going to have hard and fast rules, such as a defined closer/setup man. He's going to go with who's pitching well in those situations. And I'm ALL for that.
I mean he’s been pretty descriptive. And I’m not going to go back & quote him directly, but he has basically said he will use whoever he has to to get about at a time.
Starters will not go deep into games. Bullpen will be an out at a time.
A whole lot different from the last regime.
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