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re: College Baseball - Not the bats - but the CWS
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:45 am to dnm3305
Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:45 am to dnm3305
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You can't be serious? When the pitcher is not afraid to groove a fastball and is actually encouraged to throw them right down the middle as a part of the winning strategy, that's good baseball?
RE: Best pitch in baseball is a strike... a good fastball should go right down the middle and still be effective.... especially in amateur ball....
Conversely, a pitcher afraid of the strike zone because the players will launch it... is not good baseball....
Baseball is best when the ball is hit into play, but the pitch challenged the batter from squaring up and allowing the defense to make the plays...
SERIOUSLY!! This board reeks of guys thinking baseball is HRs and KOs ... that is the sexy stuff, mon frere....
Many people responded to the post responding only to this 2013 LSU CWS... I was refering more to College baseball...
Many people seem to find the games boring....
The major LSU message was, Bertman created a scenario where everyone felt they could follow suit and build a baseball program...
Leaving LSU in a whole new landscape in College Baseball... where we are a great program, but we aren't losing our status (thanks to recent history and the fans), but the championships are not coming (and more than likely will not come) as often....
Leaving the LSU fanbase to understand the new baseball landscape...
Bertman won -- 1) with being ahead of his time as he put a great emphasis on the sport at a university, producing and enjoying rabid fans 2)Taking advantage of the one game championship game (LSU won so many championships in a row as much with the format of the championship as the hitting)... Could easily imagine half the titles if it was best of 3 in the 90s. 3) Rosenblatt was more HR friendly despite the same dimensions...
Not meaning Rosenblatt was HR friendly in itself, just more so than Ameritrade
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ROUND-UP: Post had nothing to do with LSU 2013 trip to Omaha... had to do with the perception of college baseball and the relationship of LSU as a program...
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Posted on 6/19/13 at 10:47 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
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a good fastball should go right down the middle and still be effective
Out of all the dumb shite said on the Rant the last 24 hours, and my God, there has been a lot of dumb stuff said, this is by far and away the absolute dumbest thing said. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life in relation to the game of baseball. Right below this is the guy that said LSU should have bunted with the bases loaded and 2 outs earlier.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:09 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
FWIW, Bertman would have LOVED coaching in this day and age of scaled back offenses. He was always a pitching first type of coach and he begrudgingly allowed his program to turn into gorilla ball. It used to drive him nuts that college baseball had turned into home run derby, but the 5 rings tempered that just a tad....
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:12 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
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Conversely, a pitcher afraid of the strike zone because the players will launch it... is not good baseball....
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:13 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Out of all the dumb shite said on the Rant the last 24 hours, and my God, there has been a lot of dumb stuff said, this is by far and away the absolute dumbest thing said. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read in my entire life in relation to the game of baseball. Right below this is the guy that said LSU should have bunted with the bases loaded and 2 outs earlier.
I guess Nolan Ryan was a retard.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:17 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
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Bertman created a scenario where everyone felt they could follow suit and build a baseball program...
So LSU invented college baseball?
Stanford and ASU didn't have a baseball program?
Cal St. Fullerton?
Miami?
Texas?
USC?
Baseball didn't exist before the 90's?
Funny, because I remember watching the CWS in the 80's on ESPN and Miami winning it all in '82 and '85...and then watching the Shockers shock the world. Stanford winning back-to-back!
This is like..."CFB didn't matter until LSU won it this past decade."
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:40 am to Zamoro10
Zamoro ....
I don't think P&G valued the word ''good'' in ''good fastball''-----
A good fastball has both explosion, and spin....
And of course, timing is also apart of it.. won't throw it 0-2 ...
Didn't mean LSU created the sport, just the scenario we see the game now... where there are spot programs making money, and putting money into the sport.... is this not a common knowledge fact? it is what I have heard the last 10-15 years
I don't think P&G valued the word ''good'' in ''good fastball''-----
A good fastball has both explosion, and spin....
And of course, timing is also apart of it.. won't throw it 0-2 ...
Didn't mean LSU created the sport, just the scenario we see the game now... where there are spot programs making money, and putting money into the sport.... is this not a common knowledge fact? it is what I have heard the last 10-15 years
Posted on 6/19/13 at 11:55 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
Screw the bats, if Rhymes would have hit a bloop single a couple of times last night we would have ran away with it.
Pitching has improved and teams work the upper zone a lot now because there is no fear. We must learn to do something with that pitch, or the umps have to make certain to use a lower zone. You just cant power that thing into the gap or out of the park like before.
It isn't just LSU, everyone is getting pitched to high, and players are lighting the pitches up...they are just long outs.
Equipment will not be changed, approach will need to be, we cant have one of the best hitters fly out 5 times in one game. Not picking on Raph, he is just the easiest target.
Pitching has improved and teams work the upper zone a lot now because there is no fear. We must learn to do something with that pitch, or the umps have to make certain to use a lower zone. You just cant power that thing into the gap or out of the park like before.
It isn't just LSU, everyone is getting pitched to high, and players are lighting the pitches up...they are just long outs.
Equipment will not be changed, approach will need to be, we cant have one of the best hitters fly out 5 times in one game. Not picking on Raph, he is just the easiest target.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 12:01 pm to Roi.Trois.Faulk
"Yes! we have the best fans.... but on the field, it has gotten a lot more equal...."
Meh. Perhaps. But then why did THIS team have LSU's best record ever? What it all comes down to is this: our boys could only score 3 runs in 18 innings of CWS play. That just won't get it done.
Meh. Perhaps. But then why did THIS team have LSU's best record ever? What it all comes down to is this: our boys could only score 3 runs in 18 innings of CWS play. That just won't get it done.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 1:45 pm to SofaKingTrill
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There's nothing wrong with Omaha
There's something wrong with Omaha: TD Ameritrade Park.
The powers that be tore down Rosenblatt for that piece of shite?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:01 pm to manwich
TD Ameritrade is NOT Rosenblatt Stadium. It will never be Rosenblatt Stadium. Numerous times we saw balls hit into the air this week alone, both by LSU players, and Oregon State (the game vs. Miss. St.) that would've cleared the wall at Rosenblatt...
Why?
It's NOT because the dimensions of TD Ameritrade are different from old Rosenblatt. Rosenblatt was built up, on a hill where the wind patterns were more conducive to the long ball. The ball carried better just by where the park was built. the NCAA wanted a more major league style ballpark and that's what they got. It's not the bats. Pitching has gotten stronger. Many (myself included) will argue that their needs to be a change in the type of ball used, however that is an argument for a different day...
So for now, can we at least celebrate an incredible and unforgettable season that just happened to end too soon? love the Tigers, proud of what they accomplished this year, just wish it could've been just a little more.
Why?
It's NOT because the dimensions of TD Ameritrade are different from old Rosenblatt. Rosenblatt was built up, on a hill where the wind patterns were more conducive to the long ball. The ball carried better just by where the park was built. the NCAA wanted a more major league style ballpark and that's what they got. It's not the bats. Pitching has gotten stronger. Many (myself included) will argue that their needs to be a change in the type of ball used, however that is an argument for a different day...
So for now, can we at least celebrate an incredible and unforgettable season that just happened to end too soon? love the Tigers, proud of what they accomplished this year, just wish it could've been just a little more.
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:34 pm to TexanPete
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There's something wrong with Omaha: TD Ameritrade Park. The powers that be tore down Rosenblatt for that piece of shite?
The stadium didn't cost LSU those games. It was the same size for both teams. And let's admit it - if LSU were sitting at 2-0, most of the posters on here would probably like the stadium just fine. It's like blaming your poor golf game on your clubs. They're probably not the reason you shot 94.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:55 pm to SofaKingTrill
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There's nothing wrong with Omaha.
the new stadium abandons what made the old stadium great, and the NCAA ball and bats make it even more difficult
Posted on 6/19/13 at 4:03 pm to dnm3305
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The only player that was focused on driving the ball the other way was freakin Laird as crazy as that sounds.
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Laird never DRIVES the ball either way. He doesn' thit line drives or deep fly balls. He had amazing success in CWS but he is punch hitter who throws his hands and the bat at the ball. If he were stronger that approach would yield a bloop out most of the time but his lack of strength allows him to punch it over the middle infielders but not reach the outfielders.
Experience indicates that if he gets stonger he will have to change his approach to be able to drive the ball in the gaps. But then, he uses this approach currently because he isn't very stong.
The only player that was focused on driving the ball the other way was freakin Laird as crazy as that sounds.
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Laird never DRIVES the ball either way. He doesn' thit line drives or deep fly balls. He had amazing success in CWS but he is punch hitter who throws his hands and the bat at the ball. If he were stronger that approach would yield a bloop out most of the time but his lack of strength allows him to punch it over the middle infielders but not reach the outfielders.
Experience indicates that if he gets stonger he will have to change his approach to be able to drive the ball in the gaps. But then, he uses this approach currently because he isn't very stong.
This post was edited on 6/19/13 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/19/13 at 5:04 pm to dnm3305
The word "gimmick" really grates. Basically any style of play in any sport is a gimmick if LSU doesn't do it.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 8:50 pm to Roi.Trois.Faulk
Pitchers should pound the strike zone.
As we all know, this is the key to Nola's success.
But you shouldn't be able to throw many fastballs over the HEART of the plate and `not pay a price with some hard hit balls.
Good pitchers throw their fastball low and away, low over plate, low and in, up and in, at the top of the zone but they don't throw heart of the plate on purpose.
They should not be afraid to thorw strikes, but a belt high fastball over the middle is a mistake.
As we all know, this is the key to Nola's success.
But you shouldn't be able to throw many fastballs over the HEART of the plate and `not pay a price with some hard hit balls.
Good pitchers throw their fastball low and away, low over plate, low and in, up and in, at the top of the zone but they don't throw heart of the plate on purpose.
They should not be afraid to thorw strikes, but a belt high fastball over the middle is a mistake.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:08 pm to Roi.Trois.Faulk
Do most people not realize Skip was originally a pitching coach before coming to LSU and favored a scaled back offensive game?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:14 pm to Roi.Trois.Faulk
Ive watched the CWS since Saturday and I've realized the best hitter in Omaha is Jessica Mendoza.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 9:27 pm to SofaKingTrill
More colleges put time and $ into baseball so now the field is stronger then it was in the 90s when only a few teams really invested in college baseball.
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