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re: Coach O Is Crushing It

Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:55 pm to
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Is it that hard?


With a minute to play? Hell yeah it is.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:56 pm to
Provide the statistics they had 138 to play
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:56 pm to
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I don't see how you don't understand that he would have had even bigger games if he was healthy


I don't see how you don't understand a better passing game would have eliminated the reason to put the whole fricking game on his shoulders..

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108494 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:56 pm to
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You dont think our 2018 offense wasnt actively trying to get a 1st down?

On the ground of course, but they decided not to throw. Against Wisconsin we had to score or the game was over. That's why I said actively trying to score. I didn't say we weren't trying to get a first down vs aTm.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48219 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:56 pm to
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Well, seeing as this is statistically incredibly hard to do, I say LSU made the right choice on offense to pin them deep... 


Which is easier to do end the game?

Drive the field and score
Get a 1st down?


The fact that you think the offense against A&M didnt have achnace to win the game by getting 1 1st down just further proves your bias.

Im not even bringing up the fact that the 2018 offense had 2 other chances in ot when the defense held a&m to fgs.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79397 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:56 pm to
That’s not the point.

The point is EITHER could have won those games.

It’s not just 1 thing
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:57 pm to
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Which is easier to do end the game?

Drive the field and score
Get a 1st down?


This is called a false dichotomy. You can google it if you want.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:58 pm to
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but they decided not to throw.


Correct

Run the ball, eat clock and play to your strength, which was the defense.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79397 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:58 pm to
I think Game winning drives are relatively common. Not more likely than not, but still pretty common.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48219 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:59 pm to
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On the ground of course, but they decided not to throw

So again, the offense failed to win the game when all they needed was 10 yards.

The 2018 offense needed 1st down to win. The offense doesnt get a pass because the coaches went conservative.

The defense had held them scoreless and scored a ts on the previous 4 possession. They handed the offense a win on a silver platter.

Both offenses can end the game.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40140 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:59 pm to
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I don't see how you don't understand a better passing game would have eliminated the reason to put the whole fricking game on his shoulders..


I don't recall ever even vaguely insinuating this. My point is that with a healthy Fournette or with a steadier dose of Guice in those two games, we probably win regardless of how shitty our passing was.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:59 pm to
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I think Game winning drives are relatively common.



You're welcome to look up how many games are won on game winning drives in the last minute.

What about 4th and 16? How common are those?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79397 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:59 pm to
Now this is the false dichotomy

That you can’t both run the ball and get a first down.

That we had to choose between running 3 times and punting or throwing the ball for a first down.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:00 pm to
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I don't recall ever even vaguely insinuating this


That's precisely what Sammy is saying, not insinuating.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48219 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:00 pm to
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Run the ball, eat clock and play to your strength, which was the defense.


You changed your stance from what you posted recently.

You originally didnt say shite about playing defense. You said play to your strength and protect the ball.
You change your stances everytime youre proven wrong.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:01 pm to
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You changed your stance from what you posted recently.


No, Jethro. This has always been my stance.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298419 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:01 pm to
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That you can’t both run the ball and get a first down.


No one said you can't. However A&M had the second rated rush defense at the time. Easier said than done.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79397 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:02 pm to
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You're welcome to look up how many games are won on game winning drives in the last minute.


Why me? You said the opposite and never had to back it up.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40140 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:02 pm to
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That's precisely what Sammy is saying, not insinuating.


I'm not Sammy.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108494 posts
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:02 pm to
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The 2018 offense needed 1st down to win. The offense doesnt get a pass because the coaches went conservative.

That's not what I was saying. I only said I thought the two scenarios weren't a good comparison because the requirements of each offense in order to secure a win were different and so were the 2 approaches. I wasn't debating which approach was better or worse.
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