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re: Coach O has 3 yrs remaining after this season on current contract...does Alleva extend?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:21 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:21 pm to UpToPar
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But that's not the only thing you cherry picked. You had to qualify SEC West wins (except for Bama).
The fact that you even have to qualify his record to exclude a loss against Troy is pathetic.
What's pathetic is that you can't comprehend anything.... and trying to argue with stupid people is well.... stupid.
I can assure you that O has earned a status now that makes him difficult to come after. There aren't a lot of teams that could pay him 6 million or more per year.... why don't you name them. Because let me explain how this would work...
If a team pursues him, LSU will pony up more. And then, it will take a team a lot more over that number to get O. There aren't more than 10 teams in America that can afford that.... and none of those positions are going to be open any time soon. So trying to argue this, at this point, is absolutely foolish.
He now has 3 very successful years in the SEC west... a record better than GM and what is he getting paid?
So you are making a poor attempt to mock me and argue your point.
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Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:23 pm to cra_cra
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O has earned a status now that makes him difficult to come after. There aren't a lot of teams that could pay him 6 million or more per year.
What would be the reason to rush into an extension if he's difficult to come after?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:27 pm to TigerLunatik
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I think when discussing an extension, the Bama games are extremely important due to the nature of the losses. Two shutouts isn't good for business when looking into the future. If it's me, I don't even give one thought to extending until after next season. There's been a decent year in '17 with 2 bad losses and so far a very good season this year with a loss to a team we shouldn't have lossed to.
But, I have never been an A.D. and never will be. That's just my worthless opinion on the deal. I happen to think he does enough to get that extension next year.
I think a very serious discussion must take place regarding the OC position. I would not do anything until I was satisfied with his answers there. But to his defense, O has shown to make changes quickly and be very aggressive doing so.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:27 pm to cra_cra
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can assure you that O has earned a status now that makes him difficult to come after.
He’s not difficult to come after, nobody wants him. He didn’t get an interview with Syracuse. Think about that.
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He now has 3 very successful years in the SEC west
He’s had 1 very successful season in the SEC West (if he beats A&M). The SEC west outside of Bama and Auburn were absolute dog shite last year. Our schedule last year was the easiest we had played in over 10 years, and he couldn’t muster 10 wins.
In 2016 he played 2 teams anywhere close to the talent level as LSU and he lost to both of them.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:30 pm to cra_cra
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I think a very serious discussion must take place regarding the OC position. I would not do anything until I was satisfied with his answers there.
I think I would have to see some real progress there before an extension was given.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:34 pm to cra_cra
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But to his defense, O has shown to make changes quickly and be very aggressive doing so.
Only to turn around a hire a guy that hasn’t been an OC in 20 years. What makes you think he gets the next hire right? He’s 0 for 2.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:34 pm to Covingtontiger77
Where else would they take him?
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:41 pm to UpToPar
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can assure you that O has earned a status now that makes him difficult to come after.
He’s not difficult to come after, nobody wants him. He didn’t get an interview with Syracuse. Think about that.
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He now has 3 very successful years in the SEC west
He’s had 1 very successful season in the SEC West (if he beats A&M). The SEC west outside of Bama and Auburn were absolute dog shite last year. Our schedule last year was the easiest we had played in over 10 years, and he couldn’t muster 10 wins.
In 2016 he played 2 teams anywhere close to the talent level as LSU and he lost to both of them.
And this is you being stupid now.
That was then, this is now. Nobody wants him now? You are showing absolute pure ignorance if you don't think he value is much different today than it was 3 years ago.
And now who is reaching to make an argument? It must be very upsetting to sit back and watch O make a fool out of you? Every win, must pain you deeply?
I could pick apart your SEC was horseshite argument, and our schedule sucked, but I won't, because I am tired of arguing with a 3rd grader that lacks the ability to see the bigger picture.
O is 24-8 at LSU with 3 losses coming to the number 1 team in the country. Fisher was 25-12 in his last 3 seasons at FSU in a much much easier conference. And 7-4 this year (o is 9-2)... making 2x what O is making. There isn't really anything else to say.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:44 pm to UpToPar
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Only to turn around a hire a guy that hasn’t been an OC in 20 years. What makes you think he gets the next hire right? He’s 0 for 2.
so, none of the other coaches are part of this discussion? Who's cherry picking now?
Keeping Aranda. Keeping raymond. Hiring Bush, Sullivan, Cregg, McMahon, bringing in the analysts, Kevin Faulk, etc....
NONE of those hires matter right?
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:50 pm to UpToPar
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Only to turn around a hire a guy that hasn’t been an OC in 20 years. What makes you think he gets the next hire right? He’s 0 for 2.
Technically, according to you, "hiring" Canada was good.... so that means O is not 0-2 in "hiring".
And Ensminger is playing the cards he has... so it's hard to know for sure if he's a failure... though I'll admit, I'm not sure I'd support him continuing. And it's certainly hard to say he is failing at his job when LSU is 9-2 and ranked in the top 7.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:56 pm to cra_cra
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You are showing absolute pure ignorance if you don't think he value is much different today than it was 3 years ago
It’s gone up, but his market value still hasn’t risen above what he is currently making, therefore, he doesn’t deserve an extension of a raise. It really is that simple.
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It must be very upsetting to sit back and watch O make a fool out of you? Every win, must pain you deeply?
Believe it or not, I care quite a bit about LSUs success. I’ve been pleasantly suprised this year, and am ready to call this season a massive success if we finish with a win against A&M and a win in a NY6 bowl.
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could pick apart your SEC was horseshite argument, and our schedule sucked,
Go for it. I’ll even help you out. Our SOS last year was 27th. I’ll let you figure out the last time it was that low.
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O is 24-8 at LSU with 3 losses coming to the number 1 team in the country
And 4 losses against teams he should have beat.
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Fisher was 25-12 in his last 3 seasons at FSU in a much much easier conference.
MOAAAARRRRR cherry picking. Half of Fisher’s 12 losses came last year after his QB went down and he was checked out.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:00 pm to cra_cra
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so, none of the other coaches are part of this discussion? Who's cherry picking now?
Keeping Aranda.
the ole keeping Aranda argument. Funny how O gets credit for keeping Aranda but none of the blame for all the OL transfers that everyone loves to talk about. And I wasn’t thrilled about the Canada hire to begin with. I made that known when the hire was made, but was met with posts by Tiger Ree and a few others touting his Broyles award candidacy.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:02 pm to bencoleman
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That it looks bad on the university to not extend and pay market value to a successful coach.
We have another year to decide on an extension.
A 3 year contract won't effect recruiting. Most of these kids are dreaming of the NFL after 3 years anyway.
Next year is when we need to make a decision. Beat A&M Saturday and repeat it next year and then we can talk about an extension.
It's too early right now
Posted on 11/22/18 at 1:18 am to CottonWasKing
Let's not forget one fact at play here. Dave Aranda... without him I highly doubt O would have the record he currently has at LSU period. He may have fought to keep him when A&M came calling but he was also told to do so as well.
Give it another year, let him prove he will try to fix the offense and the "we coming" for championships and then let's talk extension.
Give it another year, let him prove he will try to fix the offense and the "we coming" for championships and then let's talk extension.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 1:22 am to Goldrush25
I think O has done a great job this year
But Alleva needs to stop being so quick with pumping out these extensions or attempting to at least.
But Alleva needs to stop being so quick with pumping out these extensions or attempting to at least.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 2:32 am to bencoleman
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looks bad on the university to not extend and pay market value to a successful coach.
Do you even know what “market value” means?
Market value is what other programs would pay for the same service. How many other programs would hire Ed Orgeron right now as HC with his current pay or better?
Bet you don’t want to answer that one.
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