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re: Coach Eaux building his team through players, coaches, support staff and now
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:31 pm to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:31 pm to RedTigerRulz
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They don't actually believe we will win 10 games nor do they really want it to happen....because then we're stuck with O
I mean, yeah. If head coaches win games, they are usually retained. thats kinda how it works.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:41 pm to boxcar willie
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why do you always classify yourself in the anti O group when you always take the position of the so called pro O group
I'm going by how many people call me one of the biggest haters on the board. I ultimately do believe O isn't the man for the job and I will be stunned if he wins 10 this year, but with the talent, one tough true road game and the toughest two games at home, I believe this should be at least a 10 win team.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I’m basically with you on O but this is unfair. It absolutely was a factor.
I never said it wasn't a factor. What I said is anyone who takes the stance the the defensive line, in any way, was the reason or PRIMARY factor for a team losing a game by thirty (30) points doesn't need to be taken seriously.
I stand by that statement.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:46 pm to RedTigerRulz
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They don't actually believe we will win 10 games nor do they really want it to happen....because then we're stuck with O
This makes no sense.
If he can win 10 games with this schedule then it's likely because he's doing a damn good job managing this program. Then I would have to change my opinion of him and what he can do. But I can't change that opinion until I see that he can get the job done. It's tautological but I don't know any other way to evaluate this fairly.
See this is all based on the evidence. That's all I've ever done, make projections based on the evidence we have.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:47 pm to boxcar willie
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why do you always classify yourself in the anti O group when you always take the position of the so called pro O group of which their is no such thing as a pro O group, but just the category of posters who want to wait and see how the season plays out and can also admit when good things happen to program and that everything isn't negative ?
Holy frick is this English? I cant imagine typing this out, glancing over it and thinking, "yep, looks good!"
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:48 pm to lsu2006
Willie tends to ride the struggle bus when discussing, well, anything.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:02 pm to RB10
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What I said is anyone who takes the stance the the defensive line, in any way, was the reason or PRIMARY factor for a team losing a game by thirty (30) points doesn't need to be taken seriously.
so you admit it was a factor? Of course it was a factor along with quite a few other factors. It's a combinati0n of factors. The Dline with no depth and little talent available for the game then another Dlineman getting kicked out the game. Even Aranda couldn't overcome these issues. Two true freshman having to start on the oline due to no depth there and unable to handle Simmons the rest of the Mississippi dline. An offense that our players seemed to not have a grasp on yet and seemed too complex for them resulting in stupid penalties, mistakes, and low confidence. The players played flat and uninspired meeting a fired up Mississippi St team. Yes it all falls back on the head coach but some of it was out of his control. It happens. LSU and coach O definitely stumbled out of the blocks at the beginning of coach O's tenure as head coach but came on strong after those first games. Since then he has made some good moves or at least the 'process' look s good. We'll see what happens in 2018 and if it all goes to shite we will all be joining you in wanting a new head coach.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:04 pm to boxcar willie
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so you admit it was a factor?
Jesus Christ. I, literally, just explained this in the post you quoted.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:09 pm to Dave England
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was last season a success?
He doesn't want to appear two faced which he clearly is. How can 9-4 with two highly embarrassing loses be a success when 9-3 by a NC coach he has shite on for years not be.
That's why its so hard to get a straight answer from most of the O enables. They are trying to find excuses for performances and loses they never would have excused under the last staff.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:10 pm to RB10
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r. What I said is anyone who takes the stance the the defensive line, in any way, was the reason or PRIMARY factor for a team losing a game by thirty (30) points doesn't need to be taken seriously.
To be honest I really don’t understand your point here
I mean what do you mean by “primary” reason? That sounds like splitting hairs. Are you saying you being good in the trenches doesn’t matter because of the opponent and that LSU never lost to them by that wide of a margin before?
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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To be honest I really don’t understand your point here I mean what do you mean by “primary” reason? That sounds like splitting hairs.
I think he means that when you lose by 30, there are numerous reasons why you lost. State out-classed us in every facet of the game.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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To be honest I really don’t understand your point here I mean what do you mean by “primary” reason? That sounds like splitting hairs.
Are you saying you being good in the trenches doesn’t matter because of the opponent and that LSU never lost to them by that wide of a margin before?
When people say "LSU lost to MSU because there were only 4 defensive linemen", it's fricking ridiculous considering they lost by THIRTY POINTS. There were more problems than just the defensive line, and it starts with the team showing up in Starkville and giving a halfassed effort.
This is not nearly as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:18 pm to boxcar willie
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The players played flat and uninspired meeting a fired up Mississippi St team.
a fired up mississippi state team that gave up a 67 yard touchdown 2 1/2 minutes into the game?
The Sullivan OPI completely deflated LSU and they never recovered. people seem to want to make it out that miss state pinned LSU to the mat from the jump and LSU got their clocks cleaned all game, but this was still a 17-7 game in the 3rd quarter. that was a team that was not mentally prepared for adversity.
bad calls happen all the time. that was an especially egregious one. yet, it still falls on the head coach to tell his players "hey, short memory, theres still 3 1/2 quarters of football left, lets go out there and get that TD back"
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:22 pm to Goldrush25
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If he can win 10 games with this schedule then it's likely because he's doing a damn good job managing this program.
I think we are all in agreement with that. This season will be defining of coach O's ability to lead the program.
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Then I would have to change my opinion of him and what he can do. But I can't change that opinion until I see that he can get the job done.
I can agree with that except that I haven't fully formed an opinion of him though will admit that I like a lot of what he is doing as far as the process goes. He has made some major mistakes as well such as hiring Canada and then keeping him to long after it had become clear to him that it wasn't working. He gave him to much rope. Losing to Troy and Mississippi St lie at Coach O feet as well as he is the one who hired Canada and helped retain Aranda (though in the long run I think that was a good thing even with the Notre Dame loss and the failure of Jackson to defend that play and coach O failure to have a good PK in that game (though he corrected that after the season by signing Tracy))
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:25 pm to boxcar willie
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Losing to Troy and Mississippi St lie at Coach O feet as well as he is the one who hired Canada
You're cruising now.
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helped retain Aranda (though in the long run I think that was a good thing even with the Notre Dame loss and the failure of Jackson to defend that play and coach O failure to have a good PK in that game (though he corrected that after the season by signing Tracy))
Now you're in the ditch.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:27 pm to Tiger Ree
Chalmette boy!!
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:29 pm to lsu2006
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State out-classed us in every facet of the game.
And the team as a whole quit. Which is the worst part of it all
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:30 pm to boxcar willie
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helped retain Aranda (though in the long run I think that was a good thing
Really going out on a limb here, chiefPosted on 8/9/18 at 4:31 pm to boxcar willie
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I can agree with that except that I haven't fully formed an opinion of him though will admit that I like a lot of what he is doing as far as the process goes. He has made some major mistakes as well such as hiring Canada and then keeping him to long after it had become clear to him that it wasn't working. He gave him to much rope. Losing to Troy and Mississippi St lie at Coach O feet as well as he is the one who hired Canada and helped retain Aranda (though in the long run I think that was a good thing even with the Notre Dame loss and the failure of Jackson to defend that play and coach O failure to have a good PK in that game (though he corrected that after the season by signing Tracy))
I can't get excited about his process because his questionable decision making in-season is also part of his process, and has undermined his offseason work every single year he's been the HC at his own program. Fool me once, you know the saying.
O's the perfect example of that Tyson saying "everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth."
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 4:34 pm to boxcar willie
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helped retain Aranda (though in the long run I think that was a good thing even with the Notre Dame loss and the failure of Jackson to defend that play
Do you forget to breathe sometimes?
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