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re: Coach Caskey’s Clicker w/ Rohan Davey

Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by Bayou
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:48 pm to
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I hate to harp on the fact that JD is to blame, but I don't know how you watch some of his film and point the finger at many other people. He cannot move the ball vertically. I do not even think it is from a lack of ability, but the fear of making a mistake. He is able to nickel and dime the defense because they can keep everything in front of them. Our offense provides ZERO threat to score. I am not saying that Nuss or Howard is necessarily the answer, but you can only drive with a flat tire for so long. I would like to see what one of the other two qb's could do given a week of game prep.

Not a single mention of the porous OL. OK!
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:49 pm to
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He won’t improve. He is a veteran qb and still can’t read a defense or go through progressions.


Only 10 min in and it's mostly mistakes by the QB.

Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:52 pm to
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The problem is most of Daniels runs come off of scrambles. Some go for bigger plays but a lot of them are stopped at the line, behind it or turn into throw aways. His ypc on designed runs is more consistent and actually very good. On early down calls instead of HB dive or the inconsistency passing the ball use Daniels legs to get us in favorable situations. First down all season hasn’t been very good.


I agree. I think TBob asked the question regarding running more spread option or simply more designed running plays for Daniels—he’s basically a mercenary who’s only here for a year, why not run him as much as possible if it’s advantageous. If he gets hurt, cross that bridge when you get there, but give yourself—and Daniels—the best chance for success each game. If that’s 10 designed runs per game, go for it.
Posted by FLObserver
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:53 pm to
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A lot of times he’s pretending to read coverage but really just waiting for a lane to open up so he can take off.

Shocker Said that after the Auburn game. Dude can't even make it to the first progression receiver before he's looking to take off.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:03 pm to
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Really interesting to hear some of Rohan’s comments on JD


It is. But he learned how to watch film in the NFL under Belichek. As fondly as we remember Ro, he didn’t win the starting job here until his Senior year, and as great as he was, he only completed 59% of his passes that year with 18 TDs and 10 picks.

I love watching Hester and Flynn and all these professional film watchers break down film. But how does Daniels compare to his peers as far as watching film, understanding what defenses are doing, and taking that to the field?

He is obviously not a great passing QB, but I think it’s a bit unfair to expect him to see as a 21-year-old college QB on the field in real time what almost 40-year-old former NFL players are seeing on film afterwards and saying what he should have done. I may be wrong, but I don’t think many current college QBs process info in real time like we expect Daniels to.

But I actually don’t think Daniels’ biggest problem is seeing and processing information. I think it’s trusting what he sees and being able to pull the trigger. He either doesn’t trust his eyes or his arm. Likely both.
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:13 pm to
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But I actually don’t think Daniels’ biggest problem is seeing and processing information


You're right, it's his happy feet that takes over and he panics.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:24 pm to
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the 2nd, the long fake crossing route on 3rd and one was even called bad by Rohan


I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad play design. Rohan talked about what those routes should look like, but that design is trying to take advantage of the leverage the corner is playing with. It’s essentially designed for the corner to think “they’re doing this” but we really do something else. You’re in an alignment that’s run heavy, but once you get out the route you’re throwing the corner another look that he’s not expecting.

But with all that said, while I don’t think the design is bad, I’m not a fan of the playcall. If you have a second and one, or even a third and one where you’re expecting it to be four down territory, I would like that call a lot more. Come back and try and pound it to pick up the first on fourth down.

I would also argue that’s a design that could allow Daniels to make a throw to a spot and let Malik go get it, but we know he won’t do that.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:24 pm to
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 Our offense provides ZERO threat to score. 

I mean, we did score 31 on State who has a top 40 scoring D and put up over 200 passing and 200 rushing against them, so I wouldn't go that far. But I agree that we're not coming close to maxing out on the offensive potential due to JD not letting go of the ball (and also breakdowns in blocking and WRs dropping too many catchable balls).
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:39 pm to
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agree. I think TBob asked the question regarding running more spread option or simply more designed running plays for Daniels—he’s basically a mercenary who’s only here for a year, why not run him as much as possible if it’s advantageous. If he gets hurt, cross that bridge when you get there, but give yourself—and Daniels—the best chance for success each game. If that’s 10 designed runs per game, go for it.


This is my biggest issue with Denbrock. Almost every play should be run off a zone read look with Daniels running or making the defense react to him maybe running
He should be running at least 12-15 designed runs a game
Posted by GeauxTigers247
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:44 pm to
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This is my biggest issue with Denbrock. Almost every play should be run off a zone read look with Daniels running or making the defense react to him maybe running


Yea, Carter, from Power Hour LSU, talked about how UF used play action even when the running game wasn’t working and it was still extremely effective against Tennessee in his pre-game film study. I don’t know how guys on YouTube seem to see this stuff and the coaching staff doesn’t. Lol
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:47 pm to
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This is my biggest issue with Denbrock. Almost every play should be run off a zone read look with Daniels running or making the defense react to him maybe running He should be running at least 12-15 designed runs a game


I have a feeling they are trying to protect him since he’s already been knocked out of two games. That said, I still agree. Ride him until his wheels fall off.

This is part of the reason I would like to see the QBs rotate some. We could run Daniels more aggressively with a little less injury risk if we take some snaps off of his plate. We also know Nuss will take some deep shots and make the defense have to back up and cover more of the field.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:58 pm to
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I'm about half way through it but so far I would say this confirms my thoughts on Denbrock not being the issue. There are things that could be better, but for the most part the designs are good. Execution is terrible, and it's never at the shoulders of just one player. There's consistently too many missed assignments from the OL, to the receivers, to the QB, etc etc.


Agreed. You see the OL miss on some stunts. Boutte fell down on that 4th down play because he ran too close to the OL and likely makes the first easily if he executes better. Daniels bails outside too often instead of stepping up into decent pockets and either misses or negates positive plays. we are leaving a LOT of yards on the field because all the small problems add up.

For all of the negatives, one of the most frustrating things about Daniels is how we get these flashes of what he COULD be if he had any consistency and some more awareness of the little things that Rohan pointed out. He has talent and he’s capable of throwing a good ball. He just can’t be counted on to see the routes and deliver those throws consistently throughout a game.

I would love to see film of how Daniels looks in practice. Does he tear it up in a controlled setting when he knows what to do and where to attack, or is it similar to what we see on game day?
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 5:00 pm
Posted by machismo64
Birmingham, Al
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:18 pm to
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Not a single mention of the porous OL. OK!


On the plays here, there is only one really bad play by an offensive lineman who fails to handle a stunt properly. For the rest, they played well.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:26 pm to
It was illuminating and what Rohan is saying makes a lot of sense. Still, Nussmeier scares me because he is prone to slinging it and affecting ints. I like Daniels running ability vs Nussmeier. Still think that you have a better overall shot at winning with Daniels.
Posted by MS_Tigers07
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2015
1320 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:35 pm to
After watching the tapes they had, it’s obvious Denbrook isn’t the main problem. There’s guys open.

It’s what CBK said.. gotta execute better. Whether it’s the QB, OL, or the WRs.
Posted by jwp475
N. La.
Member since Oct 2010
559 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:37 pm to

JD is clearly the problem with the offense
Posted by Jamey21
Katy, Texas
Member since Jul 2019
751 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:38 pm to
Rohan always states just what the problem is with LSU offense, He never worries about who will get upset. He is usually dead on with everything he speaks on and will always back it up the information with breaking down the problem.
He's been doing this for years.

This video should be Mandatory watching for all the Couch coaches on this site.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:02 pm
Posted by deuce985
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:53 pm to
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:04 pm to
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It was illuminating and what Rohan is saying makes a lot of sense. Still, Nussmeier scares me because he is prone to slinging it and affecting ints. I like Daniels running ability vs Nussmeier. Still think that you have a better overall shot at winning with Daniels.


The offense is going nowhere with Daniels. A good passing game will make an offense limitless. Daniels has nowhere else go go and Nuss hasn't been given much of a shot.

I don't know why people here enjoy watching these slow lethargic Daniels offenses.
Posted by ellis197575
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
1284 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:44 pm to
There are several different film study videos of this game. Most show and confirm the same issues, JD is not seeing open guys, not throwing the ball when he does see them on many plays, and choosing to run too often when all he needs to do is step up in the pocket or simply slide left or right.

H's more confident in his legs than his arm. The offense is producing quite a bit of open guys to throw to but for whatever reason JD is hesitating and not attempting the pass OR letting it go too late. His accuracy is somewhat bad as well. He may just have no timing with his receivers and that may also explain why his ball placement is so off.
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