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bencoleman
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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But we should trust you? Why


Why would I care if you trust me? I don't give a shite what you do.


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OppositeMan
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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This happens more often than not in CFB and often athletic Gs are developed then moved to OT. C position can be the same due to intellect requirement.


They're like 128 teams in CFB, right? LSU is currently #6...we shouldn't need to convert guards to tackles.

Just my opinion...our main competition, along with the other top teams in the country, aren't having to do this at the rate that LSU or most of CFB are having to do it. We're the outlier, in this specific category.


bencoleman
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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They're like 128 teams in CFB, right? LSU is currently #6...we shouldn't need to convert guards to tackles


Les was famous for this.


TrevRollings29
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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Les was famous for this.


O was recruiting coordinator in 2015. Ran the team as early as week 4 in 2016. It's now 2019 -

see the problem with that argument?


Goldrush25
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
Whatever the litany of excuses given in this thread, they don't account for one team boat racing Bama in the NC and the other team getting their shite pushed in at home.


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bencoleman
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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Les was famous for this.


O was recruiting coordinator in 2015. Ran the team as early as week 4 in 2016. It's now 2019 -

see the problem with that argument


WTF are you talking about. I'm talking about way before O ever walked on the scene. Are you on drugs?


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WaWaWeeWa
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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You're trying to make this an argument that doesn't have to happen. You're trying to back me into a position that I don't agree with plus you're making up a position that you think I'm taking in order to argue.


Your argument basically boils down to... LSU players that don’t perform well lack talent or aren’t “prototypical”, and players from other colleges (Clemson) that look good obviously have more talent/ are better suited for their position.

Despite many talent evaluators saying that we recruit players with similar talent as a school like Clemson. By the way that’s something not very many schools can say.

If you can’t see how illogical that is you are a lost cause. And I’m pretty sure you were already a lost cause because of your learning disability.



WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
We recruited 2 of the most talented tackles in the country. Don’t tell me they are out of position.

Even if we missed on those 2 prospects you think that explains our terrible offensive production over the past decade?

Your argument may hold some water if we were considering one year in isolation, but when we have been awful on offense for a decade and you say it’s from recruiting misses at the Tackle position you look like a total clown


TrevRollings29
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Even if we missed on those 2 prospects you think that explains our terrible offensive production over the past decade?


In before Ben tells you that we averaged 12 more passing yards per game this year.


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ninthward
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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you do realize LSU has run zone schemes for many years?
People act like teams cannot switch back and forth. IMO footwork is the most important skill for a college OL. I am willing to bet Clemson's OL tested higher in agility drills than LSU's.

*I will say LSU does not have a real LT, having a 5* LT like Clemson's would dynamically change the make-up of LSU's OL. So recruiting plays a huge role.


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BayouCowboy
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Continuity matters = next year’s U!

Continuity matters = said every OL coach ever!


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bencoleman
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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Your argument basically boils down to... LSU players that don’t perform well lack talent or aren’t “prototypical”, and players from other colleges (Clemson) that look good obviously have more talent/ are better suited for their position.

Despite many talent evaluators saying that we recruit players with similar talent as a school like Clemson. By the way that’s something not very many schools can say.

If you can’t see how illogical that is you are a lost cause. And I’m pretty sure you were already a lost cause because of your learning disability




My argument boils down to nothing of the kind.


OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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We recruited 2 of the most talented tackles in the country.


Who dis?


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OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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Les was famous for this.


Things Les was infamous for:
- Poor clock management
- Being too conservative
- Playing guards at tackle
- Meddling in the offense

Things Ed O should be infamous for:
- Poor timeout and play review management
- Being too conservative
- Playing guards at tackle
- Meddling in the offense


bencoleman
LSU Fan
Monterey
Member since Feb 2009
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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line vs LSU’s o-line by WaWaWeeWa
We recruited 2 of the most talented tackles in the country. Don’t tell me they are out of position.

Even if we missed on those 2 prospects you think that explains our terrible offensive production over the past decade?

Your argument may hold some water if we were considering one year in isolation, but when we have been awful on offense for a decade and you say it’s from recruiting misses at the Tackle position you look like a total clown



I'm not talking about the past decade. I'm talking about two players in particular who aren't producing at a level that you'd expect. I don't care what you think but I gave my opinion about one that isn't cutting it at tackle. Maybe he could be moved to the interior or hell ride the bench if not. The other player I haven't been able to see a lot of video on him because he can't crack the two deep and a converted guard beat him out for the position. I don't know what argument you're trying to make but it doesn't hold water.


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AlwysATgr
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Katy, TX
Member since Apr 2008
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
I think Les's philosophy was to build the OL from the inside-out. Hence, the emphasis on center and guard. But that doesn't mean we've been impoverished at LT (I'm not researching RT - feel free to do so).

But here's the LT's during Les' tenure:
'05 Whitworth (Saban recruit and all-time great)
'06-'09 Ciron Black. Great LT who was projected to be a 1st rd pick until injury. Same group as Oher and Andre Smith.
'10 Barksdale; good, not great.
'11-'12 Chris Faulk - very good LT. but unfortunately got hurt, entered the draft and never
made it.
'13-'14 La'el, nuff said; a monster. Probably belongs in the discussion of all-time greats.
'15, Jerald Hawkins, very good LT. Still in the NFL I think.
'16, Malone - avg., routinely criticized, but I thought his play improved a ton over the season.

Point being, you will be hard pressed to find a better run of LTs than that. We were not LT deficient during Les's tenure.


OppositeMan
Member since Apr 2018
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
Here's the thing with that, though...it's 2019 now. Notice how your list ended on Malone in 2016? And, let's be honest here, Malone wasn't the greatest LT.

We'll be entering our 4th consecutive season without a stud tackle on the roster, left or right.


bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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AlwysATgr


That is an impressive bunch. I wish a couple of them had another year of eligibility.


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WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
4138 posts

re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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We'll be entering our 4th consecutive season without a stud tackle on the roster, left or right.


The offense struggled with a stud tackle in 2013-2015. The offense is currently run by Les’s TE coach.

No I don’t think a stud left tackle this year would have made our offense look like Clemson’s

If you do you should check into the nearest nut house for an evaluation.


WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
4138 posts

re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
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My argument boils down to nothing of the kind.


You are right. You actually don’t even have an argument. An argument requires evidence and logic.

Let’s just call it word vomit




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