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Clemson fans point to last years Bama game - Tua

Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:35 am
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31892 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:35 am
One of the biggest factors was BV fooling Tua with mixing up scheme execution.

My main rebuttal: Do they really think Burrow and last year’s Tua are equivalent?!

They are vastly different in mental skill sets. Joe is a pro playing college right now. AND, BV’s cat is already out the bag in regards to that particular strategy.

That said, 3-1st round picks on the dline also played into the grand scheme.

Citing last year results has always been a reach for anybody IMHO
This post was edited on 1/11/20 at 8:49 am
Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
7956 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:36 am to
Tua plays checkers, JB plays chess. Two totally different QBs mentally
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17812 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:38 am to
Go watch that film. The D line was the ONLY factor in that game. Tua was on the money when he had a clean pocket. Receivers were open.

Fortunately for Clemson that stupid good dline was in his grill more often than not.
Posted by Clempson12
Member since Sep 2018
102 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:39 am to
Tua last year had higher efficiency rating, more yards per attempt, and more yards per completion than Burrow this year
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93685 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:39 am to
quote:

Burrows

Posted by MrKnowItAll
Strop City
Member since Mar 2007
4878 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:42 am to
Last year was last year... use to be doesn't count anymore.
Posted by Cblack23
Da Boot
Member since Jun 2017
123 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:42 am to
quote:

Do they really think Burrows and last year’s Tua are equivalent?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39245 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:42 am to
quote:

AND, BV’s cat is already out the bag in regards to that particular strategy.

OMG, BV’s “strategy” was employed by me in flag football 35 years ago - and I promise you I didn’t invent it.

Every defense in college football shows man and falls into a zone now and then. I’ve never watched that Clemson-Bama game, and BV probably added a twist in which the short zones deployed with lateral movement to cross into Tua’s favorite passing lanes, but that’s no more than an obvious tactic. Try it without that monster dline and see how it works.
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
21738 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:47 am to
Lmao idk what those fans don't understand about the fact that Clelin Ferrell, Dexter Lawrence, Christian Wilkins, and Austin Bryant aren't walking through those Superdome doors to play.

Their DL this year will be the 5th or 6th best we've played. That isn't a knock on them, it's just the fact that you need 4 man rushes from the DL to truly affect a great offense. They do not have that this year.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31892 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:48 am to
He was having the DBs eyeballing the QB at snap (huge gamble)......it was a split timing tweak.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31892 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:50 am to
Exhibit 127

Seriously, cherry picking metrics......but whatever helps you sleep at night
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202868 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:51 am to
It could be very similar. LSU could do to Clemson what Clemson did to Bama.
Posted by LafTiger
Member since Dec 2008
1251 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:56 am to
How about completion percentage? Did Tau have that. Because that is what keeps offenses On the field.

If Joe completes 78% Monday, y’all most likely in BIG trouble.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:56 am to
That was Tua's worst game. I think if they replayed that matchup 10 times last year, that still would have been Tua's worst game.

If Joe plays as bad as Tua did, we are in trouble,but there's no reason to expect him to play that badly.
Posted by cj2002
louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2027 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 8:58 am to
Tua did not have 5208 yards and 55 TDs. Nor did he have a 77.6% completion rate.

NUFF SAID.
Posted by Jabontik
Houston
Member since Dec 2016
2903 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:00 am to
The pick 6 was Tua just throwing to his presnap read without looking. It was a massive play for sure. Joey does not blindly throw the ball like that.

Another huge thing in that game was the fact that alabama had to start a couple guys at CB and safety who were not even drafted and are now out of football. Clemson was well coached enough to stay away from their one good corner and target Savion Smith over and over on third down for huge gains.

LSU does not have the kind of secondary weakness that Alabama had. All of our guys will be drafted, everyone is healthy. They may hit a couple plays against us, but they will not light us up like they did Alabama.
Posted by Papa Tigah
TIGER ISLAND, LA
Member since Sep 2007
18405 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:00 am to
Posted by Clempson12
Member since Sep 2018
102 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:01 am to
quote:

cherry picking metrics


Just attempt to explain how that’s cherry-picking? Yards per attempt/completion are the equalizer in passing stats.

300 yards on 30 attempts > 300 yards on 50 attempts

Do you not agree?
Posted by inthebr
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
875 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:03 am to
Beyond the mental part, the key difference between Burrow and the other top-tier quarterbacks is how they do under pressure. No other QB has been as effective under pressure than Joe Burrow. The difference between his performance with a clean pocket and under pressure is minimal, while last year Tua couldn't handle Clemson's pressure.

Is Joe Burrow the Most Effecient Quarterback Ever?

quote:

When pressured, Burrow still completes 73.9 percent of his passes, a clip 9.5 percentage points better than any other player in the country and the top mark produced by any QB since at least 2011. He also has a 211.2 passer efficiency rating, the highest among qualified passers over that stretch, and has thrown 19 touchdowns, five clear of any other QB in a single season.


If he plays to form, Clemson is going to have to score a lot of points to stay in this game.
Posted by atxfan
Member since Jul 2004
3526 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:08 am to
Getting pressure with their front 4 was the biggest difference That was the first time in a long, long time that I had seen a team do that to Bama. Clemson doesn't have those guys this year, although they do have legit talent on that side of the ball.

I think their gameplan will have to be different if they want to get that same pressure and they'll disguise coverages foe sure. Burrow is so damn good at recognizing things quickly that I think he'll be fine.
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