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re: Clearing up news that came out about schools being investigated by NCAA

Posted on 6/13/19 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278182 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 1:48 pm to
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the NCAA admits they cannot use anything not admitted as evidence to prove wrongdoing


This was never a concern for LSU lol.

It was what they find when they sniff around.

Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8533 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 1:55 pm to
What is that going to be?

NCAA doesn't have subpoena power, they can't exactly go digging into bank accounts. All the necessary parties surrounding Smart were interviewed in March. Wade was interviewed in April. Where is this magic evidence going to come from?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37460 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:03 pm to
Do you know how happy I’d be when LSU skates, but if UK or Duke got caught? That would make me so happy
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278182 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:07 pm to
If you’re going to keep referring to the article, you should notate the part about the ncaa waiting for the trial to end.
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:12 pm to
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Do you know how happy I’d be when LSU skates, but if UK or Duke got caught? That would make me so happy



Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8533 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:16 pm to
Okay. The trial ended and Wade's wiretaps were not introduced as evidence and they have already interviewed him and Smart. What's your point?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278182 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:25 pm to
My point is that an Interview is not an investigation. Which they clearly state they were waiting to do after the trial

I’m guessing they told LSU to play smart at their own risk

I think they prob told LSU to reinstate Wade at their own risk, hence their the new clause in his contract

That they would revisit when the trial cleared
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3468 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 2:42 pm to
How many here will help DickieV's twitter to melt down if Duke is on that list and LSU isn't?

-ithad2bme raises hand
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:13 pm to
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Wade is not on tape.


Not the point. The article indicated a tape was played during the trial implicating Wade. Perhaps that’s only hearsay but who is to say the NCAA won’t use it as a premise for further investigation.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43791 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:16 pm to
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Not the point. The article indicated a tape was played during the trial implicating Wade. Perhaps that’s only hearsay but who is to say the NCAA won’t use it as a premise for further investigation.


The tape was never played. A transcript of it was read in a pretrial hearing in an attempt to have it entered as evidence. The judge refused.

The NCAA has said they cannot use anything as evidence if they don't have copies of the source material. The tape is the source material and the FBI has made it clear that said tape will not be made public.
Posted by Choupiqueboy
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2019
1626 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:23 pm to
T-F’ing Bob!

If I am not mistaken, he is on the humble Jordy Culotta’s Show, while the show-promo plays and Jordy speaks, cocky-entitled T-Bob is making All-Eyes-On-Me-Gestures, essentially disrespecting Culotta!

Think this RUBE is apt to spout off for attention? I guess he will speculate to LSU MBB’s peril, eh??? Don’t lend credence to T-Bob’s irresponsible talk and action, it gives him energy/fuel!!

Bill Arnsparger the Defense Genius would say: « Don’t encourage your opponent, win then point to the scoreboard »
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8533 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:30 pm to
Who cares if they are investigating, where is the evidence? What are they going to find? What witness is going to admit to helping pay recruits? What document is going to used to issue sanctions?

The answer is none of this exists.

The contract amendment is window dressing.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278182 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 3:50 pm to
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where is the evidence? What are they going to find?


Who knows! That’s why they investigate, Jesus. Hopefully nothing, but Will Wade was mentioned 3 different times with 3 different players. You act like this is a witch hunt with no legs.

Do you know if there is no paper trail? Please share if si
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8533 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 4:05 pm to
And that's my point, what are they investigating? They do not have subpoena power. They cannot compel individuals not associated with NCAA schools to sit for an interview. The NCAA is extremely limited in its ability to investigate these matters. That is why it was so important that the wiretaps not be admitted into evidence.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37460 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 4:06 pm to
Craig is my spirit animal
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

The reply of someone that just realized they were wrong.


No clown...just a nice way pf letting you down (while you were googling what brady material is)

Idiot
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24232 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 7:27 pm to
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This is not only made up, it's dumb and suggests mental illness or midgetry.
just go look at who’s posting negatively I guess we’ll wait. Give you a hint. Lester Earl. Tiger Ray. While they come across as not exactly being negative they never support him. It’s all a bunch of bullshite.

Now let’s discuss the top five head coaches on LSU‘s campus.
1. DD Breaux Jay Clark - WOMENS GYMNASTICS ELITE PROGRAM multiple SEC titles and twice National runner up the last 2 years
2. Will Wade - BASKETBALL Year 2 from garbage to sweet 16
3. Beth Torino - SOFTBALL been to the WCWS 4 times in the last 7 years.
4. CPM - BASEBALL 1 title and 1 runner up which was only two years ago.
5. Dave Winstead - Golf 1 title and many highly competitive teams.
6. Dennis Shaver - TRACK AND FIELD Improving. t2 titles (1 vacated due to Sudafed inadvertently taken) in both men’s and women’s indoor and outdoor he only finished 4 times since 2006 out of the top 10. That’s remarkable consistency.
7. Russell Brock - 3 years and 2 top ten finishes to the final 4. That fast.

Yet Orgeron gets every break possible like Miami dumping ole UGa coach, UF being a shithole and TAMU in 2017, etc most of the SECW tiring coaches of them leaving... brag about records. That’s the joke
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 7:31 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28257 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 7:40 pm to
What’s stopping the NCAA from simply just interviewing Dawkins? He was purportedly the other person on the wiretap?

Now, he may not want to speak while he (a) is appealing his conviction and (b) if he plans to get back into the “business” after he serves his sentence. However, if he has an ax to grind he certainly could speak to investigators. Obviously there would be credibility issues with his testimony. But it could lead to more concrete evidence from other sources.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

NCAA has to have some proof to issue the notice of allegation, and right now, it has none.

Wrong. The NCAA decides for itself the definition of "proof." BTW...how do you know the NCAA does "not have proof?"
quote:

Without those wiretaps, the NCAA has no evidence upon which it could base a notice of allegation against LSU or Wade.

Again, how do you know what evidence the NCAA has?
quote:

The NCAA rules do not allow them to use anonymous source information to hit a school with sanctions.

You are skipping steps with this statement. The NCAA CAN use anonymous information as "evidence." The NCAA has an anonymous tip line (just as most universities have). The NCAA can also interview someone who has direct knowledge of the WW wiretaps and THAT would be evidence. Remember, the NCAA decides what the definition of evidence is.
Posted by EXPLAYER
Member since Jul 2017
10786 posts
Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:36 pm to
You are so wrong on this one!
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