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re: Clear as day why Max should be starting over Finley

Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:08 pm to
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Max is injured now. Won't practice today. I do not know what his prognosis is.


Just heard O answer that question, limit him today, full speed by end of the week.
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:09 pm to
Poise and Pocket awareness.

TJ just doesn't have it.. yet.

They can both be learned but Max has good instincts.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:13 pm to
I don't think anyone should give up on Finley, with some coaching he can be very good. We knew coming in that he was raw. His arm talent is elite.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59154 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:14 pm to
The two games aren’t even comparable. Florida in the swamp playing fir a playoff spot is a different level than South Carolina at home with a lame duck coach.
Posted by TIGERSby10
Central Lafourche
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:14 pm to
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But back to what you said, Rohan noted that now Ole Miss has a book on you, they saw what you did vs UF, they are going to try to take that away and see how you handle it.


Ole Miss could be in our offensive huddles and not stop us, or any other SEC team.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:16 pm to
Max threw some floaters that came out pretty ugly. Doesn’t have the zip that TJ does

Not that that matters in terms of whose better but I can see why he was down the pecking order. Obviously he performed well and hopefully he can continue to develop.

I hope we get the chance to see them both compete for the starting job or backup job if Brennan comes back healthy next year. I think they can both be really good for us. No need to crown a guy already
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59154 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:17 pm to
When we have a QB who can actually execute our offense it’s totally different even if he’s not elite or experienced. Max Jets is a QB, Finley just throws the ball hard and the difference in their effect on the offense couldn’t be clearer.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:21 pm to
Just thag throw to jaray jenkins in the first is all i needed to see

Brennan nor finley make that touch throw.

Im not saying he should start over brennan but he shouldve been starting the last few games
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4096 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:23 pm to
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Ole Miss could be in our offensive huddles and not stop us, or any other SEC team.


You say that but we are not that much better. We are giving up 33 they are giving up 38. In terms of scoring offense, they are 39.8 (40 a game), LSU is 29.7 (30 game).

It is effectively statistically a draw. total defense LSU is 12 out of 14, they are 14, Passing Defense, they are 13 and us 14.

The only Defensive stat where LSU is clearly ahead is rushing D, LSU is 7 at 154, Ole Miss is horrible there as well at 218 a game.

So both teams are going to get yards, but which defense can create a few extra TO's I think will be the team who wins.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4096 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:29 pm to
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Max threw some floaters that came out pretty ugly. Doesn’t have the zip that TJ does

Not that that matters in terms of whose better but I can see why he was down the pecking order. Obviously he performed well and hopefully he can continue to develop.

I hope we get the chance to see them both compete for the starting job or backup job if Brennan comes back healthy next year. I think they can both be really good for us. No need to crown a guy already


That is true, but TJ after watching him has mechanics that Not sure can fix, you can coach and try it, but his weight shifts to his back foot when he is pressured and he throws off his back foot and floats it. Jarett Lee had that issue and never got it corrected and he was here for 5 years.

Max threw some darts as well. Probably first time he threw the ball 36 times in a game setting since he was in HS. Arms get tired. Strength and conditioning can improve them. TJ as an excellent arm but bad mechanics by the time someone is in college are hard to correct, not saying they can't, but it is harder.

Max's mechanics are better than Brennan's and TJ's, in my view. Throws a better touch ball than both and his arm is strong enough and I think as he fills out, that is easier to work on and get stronger.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
15998 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:34 pm to
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0 turnovers and hasn't put the ball on the ground. TJ has 5 interceptions and 3 fumbles (1 lost)

So you'd say that Max is the better game manager?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115071 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:38 pm to
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That is true, but TJ after watching him has mechanics that Not sure can fix, you can coach and try it, but his weight shifts to his back foot when he is pressured and he throws off his back foot and floats it. Jarett Lee had that issue and never got it corrected and he was here for 5 years


Well we do have much better coaches on that side of the ball than we ever did back then so I have more hope that we can fix mechanics and have the ability to put him in a system that he can succeed

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Max threw some darts as well. Probably first time he threw the ball 36 times in a game setting since he was in HS. Arms get tired.


The throws I referenced were early on. He threw a couple dangerous out routes that were floated and short.

Both QBs have weaknesses and are developing. Again no need to try to claim one as the future now

I mean can we for one time not have a bitch fit about who should be starting or not
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46747 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:40 pm to
I lean toward Max, however, TJ has been in some much rougher situations with a shaky pocket and no ground game. We haven’t seen Max in that situation.
Posted by lsufan_26
Member since Feb 2004
12559 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:42 pm to
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Clear as day why Max should be starting over Finley
I think everyone saying this

Everyone but O
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4096 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:45 pm to
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Well we do have much better coaches on that side of the ball than we ever did back then so I have more hope that we can fix mechanics and have the ability to put him in a system that he can succeed

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Max threw some darts as well. Probably first time he threw the ball 36 times in a game setting since he was in HS. Arms get tired.


The throws I referenced were early on. He threw a couple dangerous out routes that were floated and short.

Both QBs have weaknesses and are developing. Again no need to try to claim one as the future now

I mean can we for one time not have a bitch fit about who should be starting or not


Well I have said that going into spring it is an open competition. Nobody has any job. Find out who wants to play, all 22 jobs are open. So Myles, Max and TJ should all be told go earn the job. I assume Max plays this week, so going into Spring you have 5 starts and game tapes for TJ, 3 for Myles and 2 for Max. Plenty to evaluate and teach from. Let the best man win the job.

However, as for system to succeed, well that is what I am wondering, The offense that they ran in 2019 was an offense that was base 1TE/3WR/1Back and lots of 4 and 5 WR sets. RPO and zone read incorporated and you had a QB that could make plays with your feet. In my view, the offense vs Florida was the closest schematically that we were to last year because Max could run it. That is just me and what I saw and my football career ended in HS ball almost 40 years ago.

If that is truly the way LSU wants to go, then seems Max has the best ability to run that offense. Not saying you need a QB like Lamar Jackson or going old School, Steve Young, but pocket mobility and agility for QB to pull it and run off zone read when DE is crashing, run roll out and bootlegs
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4096 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:50 pm to
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I lean toward Max, however, TJ has been in some much rougher situations with a shaky pocket and no ground game. We haven’t seen Max in that situation.


SCAR?? that was a home start. Arkansas on the road vs. Florida??? Max was throwing to mostly true freshman. Both Myles and TJ had Marshall and Gilbert to throw to along with Racey (Myles all 3 games, TJ for his first 4 starts).

The key for me, based on what Rohan said, how does Max handle different defenses. I know Ole Miss defense is bad but they are good coaches, they are going to look at Florida film and look at what Max and LSU does in situation 1, 2, ... and take that away and if Max can do something different (i.e, your right handed, make you dribble with your left hand). Make LSU go deeper into playbook, etc.


Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
*wears khakis
Member since Jun 2012
12438 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:59 pm to
Just remember TJ didn’t have any turnovers in his first start either.
Posted by GumbOrgeron
Member since Feb 2018
1426 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:07 pm to
he threw an int
Posted by AcetheTigah
Woodlands, TX
Member since Jan 2005
220 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:16 pm to
I agree with this - the film will be out and they will note particular behaviors , strengths and weaknesses. He and the coaches had better self analyze this and speculate on how Ole Miss will plan to attack him and how to improve his reactions and use counter measures to defeat them.

The coaches should plan to play TJ as well. Give him a set of designed plays to practice getting execution down pat.

It seems to be we just have problems executing because a couple of guys on each play seem to fail to do one simple thing, wether it’s a chip block fail by the TE or a RB dropping the swing pass etc.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted by Spec
Member since Sep 2015
439 posts
Posted on 12/14/20 at 2:16 pm to
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Ole Miss has a book on you, they saw what you did vs UF, they are going to try to take that away and see how you handle it.


Ole Miss may have the book, but the problem is that they don't know how to read
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