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re: CBS Head Coaching Rankings
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:58 am to geauxjo
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:58 am to geauxjo
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And you throw out the head to head because you don’t like the way we lost the OT game?
Show me, in any of the three games that they've coached head-to-head in where Jimbo "outcoached" Orgeron.
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:01 am to Choupique19
quote:
Hugh Freeze in the 2010's had them ranked in the top 5 in the country and beat Bama twice.
The best thing you can say about a program that hasn't won anything since the 60's is they were ranked in top 5 twice oh and possibly the yr they were co sec west champs
they have never been to sec championship game...Miss St. has Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:18 am to Talmaniandevil_2534
You really can’t understand why Jimbo is considered a better coach by most people.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:31 am to Hayekian serf
I never said that, I said I don’t understand why he is so high and O didn’t even make it at 10.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:04 am to Topwater Trout
quote:you're defining "winning" only by championships? There's a heck of a gap between 0-12 and 12-0. Orgeron was 3-21 in the SEC at Ole Miss.
The best thing you can say about a program that hasn't won anything since the 60's is they were ranked in top 5 twice oh and possibly the yr they were co sec west champs they have never been to sec championship game...Miss St. has
David Cutcliffe was 25-23 in the SEC, plus 5 bowl games in 7 years (4 bowl wins).
Hugh Freeze was 19-21 in the SEC, plus 4 bowls in 5 years (3 bowl wins, including the Sugar Bowl), and 2 wins over Alabama.
Houston Nutt was 9-7 in the SEC his first 2 years, plus two Cotton Bowl wins.
Billy Brewer was 34-37 in the SEC during the 80s.
Now, none of this is huge success, but other coaches have had some moderate success at Ole Miss.
So "winning" isn't binary - either a championship or a failure. There's a lot of levels in between.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:20 am to Talmaniandevil_2534
quote:Well that matters
I know he went 5-5 last year
He had the worst season for an LSU coach in the last two decades
He also had the best. But you cant ignore last year
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:23 am to Hayekian serf
quote:
You really can’t understand why Jimbo is considered a better coach by most people.
It isn’t just Jimbo. Why is Kirby Smart rated at #7 which is 4 spots ahead of Orgeron? I guess the 2018
36-16 arse kicking of #2 UGA wasn’t legit? Maybe the 2019 37-10 destruction of UGA for the SEC Title wasn’t legit? Let’s see, LSU under Orgeron kicked UGA’s arse twice. LSU won the NC in 2019. UGA’s last NC was in 1980.
Lincoln Riley ranked in the Top 5? Uh, 63-28.
Mullen?
It isn’t just Jimbo? There has been an attempt in the media to minimize LSU’s accomplishments when in fact over the last 20 years LSU has accomplished as much as any school not named Alabama. Orgeron is a good coach and deserves much more respect than he receives.
All that being said, I am convinced that some on this board are not LSU fans but Posers who are just here to stir crap up.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:29 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Ole miss coach records that have coached in this century
This fricking take is hilarious. They have two 10 win seasons this CENTURY
Coach A
44-29 .603 win pct
Coach B
10-25 .286 win pct
Coach C
18-26 .409 win pct
Coach D
39-25 .609 win pct
Coach E
15-21 .416 win pct
Coach F
5-5 .500 WIN PCT
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:30 am to atltiger6487
quote:
you're defining "winning" only by championships? There's a heck of a gap between 0-12 and 12-0. Orgeron was 3-21 in the SEC at Ole Miss
Ole Miss is a joke. Orgeron is at LSU with a 45-14 record and both an SEC and National Title. Why do you care so much about Ole Miss? Maybe you belong on an Ole Miss board where you will be happier telling fellow nutjobs how bad LSU is and how overrated an LSU National Championship Coach is because he was unsuccessful at a bottom feeder named Ole Miss.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:33 am to rob62
quote:Final year rankings at LSU
Orgeron is at LSU
14
18
7
1
unranked
This board, and the nation, views LSU as one of the most talent rich universities in the country
Looking at those final rankings, would you put that coach as a top 10 coach when you take emotional bias out of it?
He has only finished in the top 10 40% of the time at a school like LSU. No logic based person is going to have that coach near the top 10
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:40 am to lsupride87
Yes.
Even CBS’ dumbass writer had Orgeron 11th. Oh and LSU was 6th in 2018.
Regarding last season, a team doesn’t lose 41% of its roster (35 players), 2 Coordinators, and its starting QB without being in a major rebuild. Somehow these facts are ignored by you.
Even CBS’ dumbass writer had Orgeron 11th. Oh and LSU was 6th in 2018.
Regarding last season, a team doesn’t lose 41% of its roster (35 players), 2 Coordinators, and its starting QB without being in a major rebuild. Somehow these facts are ignored by you.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:06 pm to rob62
quote:wow, talk about deflection.
Ole Miss is a joke. Orgeron is at LSU with a 45-14 record and both an SEC and National Title. Why do you care so much about Ole Miss? Maybe you belong on an Ole Miss board where you will be happier telling fellow nutjobs how bad LSU is and how overrated an LSU National Championship Coach is because he was unsuccessful at a bottom feeder named Ole Miss.
I was merely pointing out facts about prior Ole Miss coaches’ records, in reply to another poster who said OM has been awful for decades, which was a cover for O’s dismal record there.
I know facts are hard for partisans to stomach.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:07 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
David Cutcliffe
quote:
Hugh Freeze
quote:
Billy Brewer
quote:
Houston Nutt
Would you rank all these coaches above O?
quote:
you're defining "winning" only by championships?
quote:
you're defining "winning" only by championships?
Yes...most LSU fans do. OM fans prob don't
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:21 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:not surprisingly, you completely missed my point.
quote:
David Cutcliffe
Hugh Freeze
Billy Brewer
Houston Nutt
Would you rank all these coaches above O?
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:28 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
not surprisingly, you completely missed my point.
well my point was when O was hired and still to this day is people should not judge what a coach does at a program that didn't prioritize it's football program like LSU does or other programs that do.
Many LSU fans have been wrong saying he couldn't win at OM so there is no way he will win championships...Syracuse won't even hire him. Well all those fans were wrong and you were probably one of them.
IDGAF what he did at Ole Piss bc I knew LSU would afford him the ability to hire great coaches...all he has to do is recruit and fire up his team.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:34 pm to Gus007
2019 was not an “average team” by any stretch of the imagination. That was an elite squad.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:38 pm to Talmaniandevil_2534
Don’t really care about O’s ranking. But the fricking love affair with Jimbo is amazing. They had their best team in years and they managed a touchdown at home against the worst LSU defense I have ever seen in my life. And I was at LSU 96-2000.
So they got close to playing for a national championship last year. WHAT?
quote:
he said he would compete for national titles. The Aggies got close to playing for one last season, finishing just outside the College Football Playoff.
So they got close to playing for a national championship last year. WHAT?
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:41 pm to rob62
quote:So, if a florida coach did this in his 5 years:
Yes.
finish 18th
finish 14th
finish 7th
national title
finished unranked
You would say he is a top 10 coach in the entire country? I dont believe you or anyone that says they would
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:42 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
I knew LSU would afford him the ability to hire great coaches.
“Afford” is a good term. How many assistant coaches are still being paid by LSU because O made unwise hires? He is “afforded” the opportunity to hire great coaches but he has shown great difficulty in doing it consistently.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:45 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
I was merely pointing out facts about prior Ole Miss coaches’ records, in reply to another poster who said OM has been awful for decades, which was a cover for O’s dismal record there.
I know facts are hard for partisans to stomach
And I was pointing out your obsession with an irrelevant record from Ole Miss which is a doormat program in the SEC West. When Orgeron became LSU’s head coach I cared about his record and accomplishments at LSU. Ole Miss didn’t matter then and matters even less now.
I find it unusual for an LSU fan to harp on records from previous jobs when Orgeron has a 45-14 record at LSU and includes an SEC and National Title on his resume’. Why are you trying so hard to find something negative when it means nothing to LSU? Orgeron has been a very good coach at LSU and some if you make no damn sense.
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