re: CBS & USA Today Articles - "not good things (are coming to LSU)"

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It seems to me (by reading your comments) that is WW was observed by 10 people robbing a bank and then caught with the bag of money, you would try to say he is innocent because there is no evidence.

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Oh shut the frick up. Breaking NCAA rules to gain a competitive advantage isn't anything close to robbing a fricking bank. You're a dumbass. Not only that, you're analogy is dumb because you're saying he was caught with the money. With what we know right now, the analogy is that Wade told one person he wanted to rob a bank and couldn't.

so a year later it's still the same 'strong-arse offer' BS ?
Given that every athlete receives a scholarship offer in the course of becoming a scholarship athlete, I'd say that statement is very definition of circumstantial. Looks like more cutting edge reporting from CBS and the failing USA Today.

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No. You're analogy is attempting to vilify people by saying that they would be bystanders and condone a crime because they don't share your views on breaking NCAA laws. It's dumb.

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I guess you are just dense. My analogy is about sticking your head in the sand and ignoring what is clearly in front of you. My statement about accepting unethical behavior is about the possible reasons for doing that.

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If you want to bring breaking the law into this, then let's talk about innocent until proven guilty.

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I'll say it one more time for the learning impaired....the NCAA is NOT a court of law. Courtroom "rules" DO NOT APPLY HERE.

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so don't bring up breaking the law.

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I didn't. My analogy was about ignoring what is right in front of you. YOU decided to muddy up the issue by twisting my analogy into something different. Tha's on you.

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You think these players aren't already aware of how this goes?

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I don't know....and you don't either.

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You just don't understand how collegiate athletics works.

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Once again, another attempt by you to excuse unethical behavior. This is what you (and others) ALWAYS distill this issue down to....It's OK to cheat because everyone does it.

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This is an NCAA problem because they've allowed it to get this bad.

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Finally, we can agree.

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You either have to provide extra benefits or lose.

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There you go again...."everyone does it and therefore, if we want to win, we must do it too."

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Everyone is doing it on some level.

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You don't know this. Just because YOU say it (and maybe believe it) does not make it true.

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the NCAA is corrupt and that's just the way it is.

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Do you support the NCAA putting a stop to this issue? And before you say it's not fair for some to get caught and others to get away with it....the clean-up has to start somewhere.

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I guess you are just dense. My analogy is about sticking your head in the sand and ignoring what is clearly in front of you.

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Again, no it isn't. Being okay with someone breaking the law isn't the same as being okay with your head coach cheating to win a basketball game. If Will Wade was even suspected of robbing a bank, everyone would be just fine with him being fired immediately.

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If you want to bring breaking the law into this, then let's talk about innocent until proven guilty.

I'll say it one more time for the learning impaired....the NCAA is NOT a court of law. Courtroom "rules" DO NOT APPLY HERE.

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As I said, I knew you would bring that up. I never said the NCAA was a court of law. If you want to keep bring up the breaking the law analogies then be prepared to talk about the law.

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so don't bring up breaking the law.

I didn't.

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You literally brought up an analogy of Will Wade robbing a bank and how people would defend him.

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Do you support the NCAA putting a stop to this issue? And before you say it's not fair for some to get caught and others to get away with it....the clean-up has to start somewhere.

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I am all for it IF the same rules apply to everyone. The penalties need to be applied evenly to everyone. As of now, North Carolina gets off with a slap on the wrist while Oklahoma State gets hit hard with allegations. The problem is that the big schools are allowed to get away with what the smaller schools are not. Up and coming coaches piss off the blue bloods and get looked into.

So, for a coach like Will Wade coming up all he's seen is these big time, big name schools get away with the stuff. This is all he knows as a young coach. If he wants to compete with the big boys, he has to do what they're doing which is the problem.

As I've told you before, what Wade did was wrong and whatever happens to him is his own fault. But, just going off of the facts, we don't know yet whether he paid any players or not and you seem to want to condemn for doing so without waiting for the facts to come out.

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People are convicted every single day on nothing but circumstantial evidence.

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There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that all of the successful athletic programs are cheating, but you choose to ignore that.

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There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that all of the successful athletic programs are cheating, but you choose to ignore that.

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I'm not ignoring anything. I never said "other schools" were not cheating. I said there is no evidence/proof "everyone" is cheating. I'm focusing on my school and trying to make the point that we should all be on the same side of cleaning up collegiate athletics.

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When will you guys realize that the act of "making an offer" is also a level 1 violation? The offer does not have to be accepted, money exchanged, etc. for it to be a serious violation.

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And when will you realize what the rule actually says and that just by saying the word "offer" does not expressly break the rule...

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13.2 Offers and Inducements.

13.2.1 General Regulation. An institution's staff member or any representative of its athletics interests shall not be involved, directly or indirectly, in making arrangements for or giving or offering to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her family members or friends, other than expressly permitted by NCAA regulations...

13.2.1.1 Specific Prohibitions. Specifically prohibited financial aid, benefits and arrangements include, but are not
limited to, the following: [R] (Revised: 10/28/97, 11/1/00, 4/23/08, 4/25/18)
(a) An employment arrangement for a prospective student-athlete's family members;
(b) Gift of clothing or equipment;
(c) Co-signing of loans;
(d) Providing loans to a prospective student-athlete's family members or friends;
(e) Cash or like items;
(f) Any tangible items, including merchandise;
(g) Free or reduced-cost services, rentals or purchases of any type;
(h) Free or reduced-cost housing;
(i) Use of an institution's athletics equipment (e.g., for a high school all-star game);
(j) Sponsorship of or arrangement for an awards banquet for high school, preparatory school or two-year-college athletes by
an institution, representatives of its athletics interests or its alumni groups or booster clubs; and
(k) Expenses for academic services (e.g., tutoring, test preparation) to assist in the completion of initial-eligibility or
transfer-eligibility requirements or improvement of the prospective student-athlete's academic profile in conjunction
with a waiver request.

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To all fan knowledge at this point, we know that Wade said the infamous "strong arse offer". But those words alone, in and of themselves, do not constitute a violation of the rule stated above. The rule clearly states it has to be an offer "to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her family members or friends". We do not know what Wade offered. While it is easy to assume or imply that he likely was offering a financial benefit, because that is just what happens in the sport, it is just that, an assumption.

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Irrelevant....the NCAA does not need proof (for the 1000th time).

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Get over yourself. I'm tired of hearing ("for the 1000th time") that the NCAA does not need some level of proof. While the NCAA is not a court of law and therefore does not have to meet the same standard or burden of proof that the State would in say a criminal case; the fact that they can just punish a school merely based off of an insinuation or an accusation by someone else is just f'ing ludicrous.

I'm not contending, as I never have, that LSU won't receive an NOA of some sort. But for it to be based solely on what we all currently know is just flat out wrong. Either the NCAA found more through their investigation or this NOA is going to be like most other situations where because what happened was so public, the NCAA will dig and dig and dig till they find something, even if it is things wholly unrelated such as exceeding the amount of practice time or allowable athletic activities in a week, or contact during a dead period or improper type of contact, etc.

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What "I would want" and what the NCAA actually does will probably be two different things.

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Yep so maybe Will Wade will stay!

His own words just talk about a strong offer not impermissible benefits

They would need something to support a violation