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re: CBK deserves a LOT of credit for the Ole Miss win
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:50 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:50 am to wildtigercat93
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That makes it worse. The decision is the same every time, there’s no benefit to taking the ball first
Wrong. Top coaches do it all the time. Were Kelly and Sark both wrong on Saturday?
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:51 am to OJsLifeCoach
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Just start deferring to the 2nd half. That’s my biggest gripe
the most overrated gripe in the history of the sport.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:16 am to wildtigercat93
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As they should
Why?
ole miss being aggressive trying to go 2 for 1 gave us an extra possession.
The first points of the second half were with 4 min left in the third quarter.
Someone posted the ONLY time a team has gone 2 for 1 against us was last year vs tamu. A game we won 42-30.
So what’s the problem here?
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:23 am to Adam Banks
If taking the ball first is so advantageous, then why didn't we take it first in overtime? Should be the same in most games unless you have a weaker opponent who poses no threat to you offensively.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:35 am to Louisianalabguy
quote:No, you defer. You are given a chance to manipulate the end of the second and get back to back possessions. That is huge. It may not work, but eliminating that possibility is not ideal. How many times did you watch Bama games under Saban and have it be close or tied mid way thru the second, yet one possession into the third and they are two scores up.
It's pretty simple. You put your strength on the field first. Les M. always deferred because his offense was never as strong as his defense.
BK puts the offense on the field first because that's the strongest group. However, the defense is definitely improving.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:39 am to Tigers4Lyfe
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There would have been a 2-minute stoppage
I have not gotten used to that.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:55 am to DrD
Yeah, all the coach Kelley haters find themselves and spot where they have to hope for the team to perform poorly through their Point… sucks for them
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:02 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Wrong. Top coaches do it all the time. Were Kelly and Sark both wrong on Saturday?
Yes.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:04 am to OJsLifeCoach
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Just start deferring to the 2nd half. That’s my biggest gripe
I think now that our defense has a pulse he’ll start to do that
I really do think he just didn’t want to start the game off with the opponent scoring within the first 2 minutes.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:11 am to Adam Banks
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ole miss being aggressive trying to go 2 for 1 gave us an extra possession. The first points of the second half were with 4 min left in the third quarter.
None of this information was available when you make the decision to kick or defer. You, me, nor Kelly have any insight to how a game will start or finish. This idea that a coach just had a gut feeling is just confirmation bias
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Someone posted the ONLY time a team has gone 2 for 1 against us was last year vs tamu. A game we won 42-30.
Again, not really the point. I’m not only worried about preventing that from happening against us, but also giving us the opportunity to have that same ability
At the end of the first possession, regardless of outcome, I want to have the ball to start the 2nd half with the ball. There’s no game script in the 1st half that can happen that it wouldn’t be more advantageous for us to have the ball to start the second half. It’s just bad process.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:11 am to SelaTiger
quote:You should have saved yourself the typing and just said you hate BK.
He once again didn’t have the team prepared with ample time to do so. He’s terrible with extended preparation time. Baker deserves credit.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:22 am to OJsLifeCoach
Yes!! It gives you a greater chance of scoring at the end of the half and again at the beginning of the 2nd half. With clock management and timeouts, this happens more times than not
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:35 am to DrD
When did it become a great accomplishment to beat Ole Miss?
On December 19, 2020, LSU defeated Ole Miss 53–48 in a game where Max Johnson and Kayshon Boutte set records.
With Kelly, he deserves accolades?
It was a great accomplishment only because the great fans were so loud Ole Miss had trouble running their plays.
On December 19, 2020, LSU defeated Ole Miss 53–48 in a game where Max Johnson and Kayshon Boutte set records.
With Kelly, he deserves accolades?
It was a great accomplishment only because the great fans were so loud Ole Miss had trouble running their plays.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:39 am to Gus007
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When did it become a great accomplishment to beat Ole Miss?
frick wins over top 10 teams.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:43 am to Gus007
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On December 19, 2020, LSU defeated Ole Miss 53–48 in a game where Max Johnson and Kayshon Boutte set records.
that Ole Miss team was 5-5 and not very good, so not a huge deal to beat them.
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With Kelly, he deserves accolades?
beating teams ranked in the Top 10 usually does that for you.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:45 am to Nutriaitch
Everyone has been pleading for a halfway decent defense to go with a fairly good offense. Looks like we're getting it finally.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:54 am to wildtigercat93
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There’s no game script in the 1st half that can happen that it wouldn’t be more advantageous for us to have the ball to start the second half. It’s just bad process.
You know other than the analytics that show that the team who scores first has a higher success rate to win the game. Hence why starting with the ball gives you a higher chance to score first.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:55 am to LuzianaFootball
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If taking the ball first is so advantageous, then why didn't we take it first in overtime?
Trying to play false equivalency with college overtime to the game at large is the peak of idiocy
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:22 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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And I'm fully aware you still get the drive if you start the game with the ball, but momentum doesn't swing like having two scoring drives back-to-back where the other team doesn't even touch the ball.
Since we are assuming that the team with the ball first in the half is going to score, and that the team with the ball last in the half is going to score… then what do you think is more impactful:
A. Scoring on the opening drive of the first half and the final drive of the game, or
B. Scoring on the final drive of the first half and the opening drive of the second half?
Generally speaking, I’d prefer to defer to the second half. But I think all of these arguments making it out to be completely, objectively “the right decision” are pretty laughable. One way or another, it comes down to a bunch of assumptions and somewhat nebulous ideas about game flow tied to those assumptions.
If deferring were objectively the right call, you’d think there would be solid statistical evidence supporting it. I’ll post the same thing I posted in a previous thread on the topic:
From 2021-2023 in the NFL:
Teams that win the toss and deferred were 376-362 (.509).
Teams that won the toss and received were 40-34 (.541).
Neither result is statistically significant.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 1:11 pm to DrD
He did coach a very good game and kept his team composed. There was some fortune involved like it has to be when you play good teams.
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