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re: Can our fanbase stop crapping on Coach O?

Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:48 pm to
I don't see how anybody could credibly maintain Da Coach O is "not a good coach".
He simply is not qualified to be a HC at a major program.
Posted by Howard Juneau
Cocodrie, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2233 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:58 pm to
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Theyre just jealous they didnt think of "one team one heartbeat" first....




I'm pretty sure Florida State beat him to that.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10346 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:58 pm to
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Do you want to roll the dice on someone who has no recent history of success, but does have a past history of failure, or do you want to roll the dice on people with recent documented histories of success?


Give me specific names...
I will evaluate on a one to one basis..

to make a blanket indictment of Coach O A\and say that all coaches that have been HC are better is just not true.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:00 pm to
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Their opinion is as valid as yours, this is the problem. No, no it's not.
sure it is,

look at coaches that are getting fired this year alone.

Charlie Strong
Brian Kelly
Mark Helfrich

All were very popular hires at their respective universities, all have failed. The reality is, that be it Jimbo, Herman, or O, chances are we don't beat Bama..and isn't that what got Miles fired?

So, the boat of perpetual disenchantment is going to be full of Tiger fans until Saban retires, no matter who the coach is.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63636 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:04 pm to
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Give me specific names...
I will evaluate on a one to one basis..


Of course. What do you think the people doing the hiring do?

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to make a blanket indictment of Coach O A\and say that all coaches that have been HC are better is just not true.


Meh. So I'm to take the word of rbdallas over the collective wisdom of admins at numerous schools that have not offered him a position?

Look, as I've said before, it is certainly possible that a certain segment of the LSU fan base is right and that we have spotted a diamond in the rough when the admins of numerous schools who are paid to look for diamonds have not. Just don't ask me to put money on that being the case.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63636 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:04 pm to
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sure it is,

look at coaches that are getting fired this year alone.

Charlie Strong
Brian Kelly
Mark Helfrich

All were very popular hires at their respective universities, all have failed. The reality is, that be it Jimbo, Herman, or O, chances are we don't beat Bama..and isn't that what got Miles fired?

So, the boat of perpetual disenchantment is going to be full of Tiger fans until Saban retires, no matter who the coach is.



This is different than saying that their opinion is equally valid.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:06 pm to
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Coach loves LSU, and deserves the respect of fans. I don't see any reason to start 1000 threads deriding him and some literally celebrating his demise.


I lay the blame at the local sports guys and his friends using the airwaves to hand him the job before the season is even over. It just stunk like the good ole boys were back in power.

I love O but I don't appreciate them making a mockery of the search (or lack of one) in his name.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10346 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:06 pm to
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All were very popular hires at their respective universities, all have failed. The reality is, that be it Jimbo, Herman, or O, chances are we don't beat Bama..and isn't that what got Miles fired? So, the boat of perpetual disenchantment is going to be full of Tiger fans until Saban retires, no matter who the coach is.


I agree with the previous part.. I am not sure that Miles was fired for not beating Bama.

he was fired for his arrogance (remember 2011 NC game) and unwillingness to change his Offensive philosophy because THAT said he was never again going to beat Bama.

He was given the off season to change...and took two losses that should not have happened... THAT did him in.

you are probably too young to remember, but very similar to the reason Cholly Mac was let go, except Fl was then in the mix and not Bama.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:08 pm to
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All were very popular hires at their respective universities, all have failed. The reality is, that be it Jimbo, Herman, or O, chances are we don't beat Bama..and isn't that what got Miles fired?


Nice strawman.

Do you honestly think miles was fired only because of bama? Amazing.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:23 pm to
Replace two of those losses to Bama and we are probably SEC champs at least one of those years if not both.

There is no way in heck we fire Miles with a recent SEC title.

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Offensive philosophy because THAT said he was never again going to beat Bama.
possibly, but it came down to not beating Bama.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:27 pm to
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Do you honestly think miles was fired only because of bama? Amazing.
So you think we fire a coach that would've had an SEC championship under his belt in the last two years?

If you do or would have fired that coach, Amazing.
quote:

Nice strawman
not a strawman at all, in fact, no even an argument, just a reality that most coaches fail.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:33 pm to
Losing to UF was a huge embarrassment to say nothing of the disappointment and consequences for the season i.e. no Sugar Bowl. Granted O is stuck with a Milesian offense, but wow, that was a pathetic offense again. LF should not have played at all. Also, is it poor form to throw the player under the bus?

I haven't seen anything I could call hatred, but have not read nearly all of what has been posted.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61430 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 2:34 pm to
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I love O but I don't appreciate them making a mockery of the search (or lack of one) in his name.















Why indict O as part of what you have become upset about, the man has done nothing wrong. He may not be the best choice for the coaching job, but if you are mad at the coverage, be mad about the coverage, not what is being covered.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:00 pm to
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very similar to the reason Cholly Mac was let go


You are kidding, right!

Charlie won 59% of his games at LSU in his last six years. Les won 78% of his games in his last six years.

Les was canned because of one reason. He hadn't beat Alabama since 2011. All this other BS is only a smoke screen. If the next coach goes five years without beating Alabama, he will be goes too.

Well, that and the fact the administration is fricking clueless.

The laughable part is that no one has beat Alabama more than LSU.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:05 pm to
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He has done nothing but put his heart and soul into this thing and give it his best shot. Has he earned the job? No, I wouldn't say so, but the guy came in mid-season to a dumpster fire and at least brought some energy and enthusiasm into what was a lost season.


This season was lost as soon as Miles was fired. That we beat a couple of really terrible teams means nothing.

quote:


Coach loves LSU, and deserves the respect of fans


So much so that he trash talked LSU when he was at Ole Miss and went to Tennessee in 2010 or whatever when he was offered the DL position by Miles.

He is an interim coach. He shouldn't be remembered, but some of you are acting like he's a damn saint.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63636 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:06 pm to
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The laughable part is that no one has beat Alabama more than LSU.


Aren't we tied with Auburn in the Saban at Bama era?

Hell, Ole Pissy is just one win behind us.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted by ChunkyLover54
Member since Apr 2015
6666 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:13 pm to
I think he would have done a great job and was pulling for him.

It's simply not realistic now. It's crazy how influential that final has come to be.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63636 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:17 pm to
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I think he would have done a great job


Based on what?
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10346 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:20 pm to
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So I'm to take the word of rbdallas over the collective wisdom of admins at numerous schools that have not offered him a position?


based on the results and over paying for coaches fr om bureaucrats that I have seen...
you may be better with me lol
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 11/21/16 at 3:47 pm to
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The laughable part is that no one has beat Alabama more than LSU.

Aren't we tied with Auburn in the Saban at Bama era? Hell, Ole Pissy is just one win behind us.




Check the figures since 2005 and get back to me with the SEC programs having a better record against Alabama than LSU.
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