re: Can our fanbase stop crapping on Coach O?

This or Jimbo is what I've been thinking. Jimbo retains O and Aranda.

Coach O is a very good DL coach. He is a poor head coach and that is not even debatable. You can't dismiss the Ole Miss days just because he said he learned from his mistakes and you really can't put too much stock in his interim days because it's not his program. If this were any other position coach turned interim with a track record like O not a single soul would want him as coach.

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Coach O is a very good DL coach. He is a poor head coach and that is not even debatable. You can't dismiss the Ole Miss days just because he said he learned from his mistakes and you really can't put too much stock in his interim days because it's not his program. If this were any other position coach turned interim with a track record like O not a single soul would want him as coach.

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Agreed. But just for the sake of argument, even if he has "changed", why should a preeminent program like LSU be the place taking a huge risk for him to demonstrate that he has in fact done so?

I understand your viewpoint ...
but where is the guarantee that anybody else would do better.

It is only speculation.

as I said before Herman's team lost to Navy and SMU, while coach O's team lost to Alabama and Florida.

Jimbo has done nothing since Winston left (3 losses this season)

maybe Kiffin or someone that may affect the LSU-Bama relationship may be worth the gambling on... but
Herman and Jimbo bring no guarantees.

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Well remember Joe said Integrity was one of his key attributes for the job. I think that effectively rules Kiffin out.

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a) People can change.
b) Beating Bama may trump integrity ... just saying.

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Is every candidate a risk? Of course. O is a bigger risk. Those are the facts.

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I agree he is a risk .. but do you measure one against the other ?
I'd have to have "specific" candidates to make a good risk assessment.

All I see are overhyped coaches ...
so who is better ?
as I said, Herman lost to Navy and SMU

Fisher has 3 losses this year .. he got famous w Winston.

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One thing needs to said here that nobody has commented on: Unfair criticism is, well, unfair. BUT, one of my criticisms of Orgeron is that he place HIMSELF in contention for the HC position (which, seems to me to have been unrealistic and a mistake). It may have been unfair to the team and the administration who put him in the interim position, which some regard as a position of trust. Once he took that step, he knowingly placed himself in the crosshairs for every decision made and for the product on the field.

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totally agree .. but even the criticism should have some logic and fairness to it....
I just want facts not "just because"

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but where is the guarantee that anybody else would do better.

It is only speculation.

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There is no guarantee. It is all speculation. Hence, when there is a lot of money, prestige, administrative jobs on the line, you tend to be risk adverse. Do you want to roll the dice on someone who has no recent history of success, but does have a past history of failure, or do you want to roll the dice on people with recent documented histories of success?

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I just want facts not "just because"

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There are plenty.

It's like you want to throw out all of O's failures but boost the very little success he's had. And with Jimbo you're doing the opposite.

Have you ever stopped to think why nobody has given O a HC job? Programs, especially programs our size can not take a risk that high. Clemson did it, but they even let Dabo run the offense his interim year. They saw what he was able to do on all fronts. It wasn't just seeing if he could stand on the sideline and recruit. Dabo proved a lot that interim year.

Why do you think USC didn't hire him? Why do you think we're not going to hire him? It's not always about wins and losses on a temporary basis. And this is completely leaving out his horrific Ole Miss tenure which everyone is so quick to dismiss.

Look, I like O and I wish him the best. I don't like to talk about some of his failures because it can seem disrespectful, but some of you kind of force peoples hands by talking about some of our possible candidates. It's nothing personal.