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re: Cade Doughty returns, but is slotted at third base; Thompson to SS
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:07 am to geauxtigers33
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:07 am to geauxtigers33
Morgan is a singles hitter. I know he has a couple triples and a HR but he gets on 1B a ton and he’s fast putting tons of pressure on a defense when he’s there. He would be a better leadoff.
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Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:32 am to ell_13
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I know he has a couple triples and a HR but he gets on 1B a ton and he’s fast putting tons of pressure on a defense when he’s there.
He is tied for the team lead in doubles also. Not saying you’re wrong but just another way of looking at it. I would like him in the lead off spot too I’m just not as upset about Crews being there as most or even how I myself was a week or so ago.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:35 am to geauxtigers33
Before yesterday (stats haven’t been updated) he was second among starters in hits/average but 6th in slugging. Only guys lower are Thompson, Bianco, Milazzo, and Beloso.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 8:36 am
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:37 am to ell_13
Besides the fact that he plays first base, where you normally have a power bat, he is the prototypical leadoff hitter. He works the count, fouls off a lot of pitches, hits a lot of line drives, and has above average speed. He also does not disappear against left handed pitching.
I would just love to hear CPM's explanation why he hasn't swapped Crews and Morgan in the lineup.
I would just love to hear CPM's explanation why he hasn't swapped Crews and Morgan in the lineup.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:00 am to ell_13
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The narrative that the number of ABs is a reason to keep him at leadoff. Quit being a Russian. We only have room for one.
This is a good debate. It’s old school versus the new school analysts. The debate has gone on for awhile now at the MLB level. Now it’s in college.
Past examples of leaf off hitters being non traditional:
Mike Trout
Mookie Betts
Fernando Tatis
DJ Lamahieu
George Springer
Ronald Acuna, Jr.
Personally I am more old school, but it’s definitely not outlandish that we have Crews at leaf off. Not if you follow analytics.
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Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:08 am to doubleb
But out of all of those examples, with the exception of maybe Trout, those guys weren't the biggest RBI guys on their respective teams. Also, college teams play 1/3 of the amount of games as the MLB so the AB disparity between leadoff and say 2 or 3 hole is not that significant.
I'm with you in the old school approach, though. Which is why I want to see Tre Morgan in the leadoff spot. He just checks all the boxes for a lead off batter IMO.
I'm with you in the old school approach, though. Which is why I want to see Tre Morgan in the leadoff spot. He just checks all the boxes for a lead off batter IMO.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:13 am to doubleb
quote:Analytics are close in the MLB between having your best hitter bat first or second. It's really close. What makes it close is that over 162 games, the leadoff hitter will get anywhere from 30 to 40 more PAs. You also have some hitters there who began their careers at leadoff before they became the best on the team but it's where they are most comfortable now.
This is a good debate. It’s old school versus the new school analysts. The debate has gone on for awhile now at the MLB level. Now it’s in college.
Past examples of leaf off hitters being non traditional:
Mike Trout
Mookie Betts
Fernando Tatis
DJ Lamahieu
George Springer
Ronald Acuna, Jr.
Personally I am more old school, but it’s definitely not outlandish that we have Crews at leaf off. Not if you follow analytics.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:17 am to sportsfan
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But out of all of those examples, with the exception of maybe Trout, those guys weren't the biggest RBI guys on their respective teams. Also, college teams play 1/3 of the amount of games as the MLB so the AB disparity between leadoff and say 2 or 3 hole is not that significant.
I'm with you in the old school approach, though. Which is why I want to see Tre Morgan in the leadoff spot. He just checks all the boxes for a lead off batter IMO.
Crews isn’t our biggest rbi guy either probably because he bats lead off.
But he was and still may be our top run scorer.
Now I’m not arguing that Crews should be lead off, I’m just pointing out that despite what done here say, Crews leading off is not bizarre or a travesty.
I’d like Crews third, Morgan second and Lou Brock first.
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Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:18 am to doubleb
quote:He dropped to 3rd in runs scored when you took away his 5 HRs. So it wasn't so much that he was getting batted in.
But he was and still may be our top run scorer.
Again, this was before yesterday. Stats are not updated yet.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:20 am to ell_13
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Analytics are close in the MLB between having your best hitter bat first or second. It's really close. What makes it close is that over 162 games, the leadoff hitter will get anywhere from 30 to 40 more PAs. You also have some hitters there who began their careers at leadoff before they became the best on the team but it's where they are most comfortable now.
I think it’s about 15ABs more fir MLB. I looked it up the other day, but don’t remember the exact number.
And Crews is a rookie too, right? Maybe PM is thinking like you are?
And like I said before, it’s a good baseball discussion. Old school v new school. It goes on all the time.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:24 am to ell_13
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He dropped to 3rd in runs scored when you took away his 5 HRs. So it wasn't so much that he was getting batted in.
Again, this was before yesterday. Stats are not updated yet.
If you take away his homers, but you can’t do that.
No one has brought this up, but Crews may get more pitches batting first. Who wants to walk the first batter of the game? And then who wants to walk Crews only to face a hot hitting lefties in Morgan especially if the pitcher is a rightie?
You have to admit if, a rightie facing Crews with Morgan on deck is in a pickle.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:27 am to doubleb
quote:I h8 u.
And Crews is a rookie too, right? Maybe PM is thinking like you are?
quote:No doubt.
And like I said before, it’s a good baseball discussion. Old school v new school. It goes on all the time.
My issue is the potential runs we are leaving out there. Crews still has only 6 RBIs on 5 runs. He hasn't really come through with RISP but he keeps getting walked in those situations, too. And I'm with you on wanting to hear PM's reasoning. I don't think it's PAs. And I don't think it's analytics with PM either. PM, rightfully so, wants as much pressure on the pitcher from the first pitch. Not saying any leadoff is an easy out, but he wants leadoff to be the toughest out. Crews fits that description. It's a reason, but it pigeon holes you a little if that's all you consider. IMO, there's way more to consider in a leadoff in terms of continuing to pressure a defense/pitcher when he's on the bases too. And there are RBI opportunities you take away. I think it was Hold That Tiger 10 who said he wants Crews moved too but would be fine with leadoff if we had a batter with a pulse at the bottom. That's another solution to the RBI problem, but I think it's a half assed one.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:30 am to doubleb
quote:That first AB of the game can set a tone which I mention in my previous post. But we looked at Crews stats splitting out his first AB of the game vs the rest and they were perfectly in line. He wasn't hitting any better or worse in that first AB. So I'm not sure if you can really say it's an advantage for him. He's a good hitter in any situation. As far as Morgan protecting him, college pitchers may be thinking of the "next guy" in terms of his abilities but not really considering what side of the plate he's on. Coaches may think about it to an extent, but a pitcher isn't (and shouldn't honestly) be thinking that far ahead.
No one has brought this up, but Crews may get more pitches batting first. Who wants to walk the first batter of the game? And then who wants to walk Crews only to face a hot hitting lefties in Morgan especially if the pitcher is a rightie?
You have to admit if, a rightie facing Crews with Morgan on deck is in a pickle.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:36 am to ell_13
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That first AB of the game can set a tone which I mention in my previous post. But we looked at Crews stats splitting out his first AB of the game vs the rest and they were perfectly in line. He wasn't hitting any better or worse in that first AB. So I'm not sure if you can really say it's an advantage for him. He's a good hitter in any situation. As far as Morgan protecting him, college pitchers may be thinking of the "next guy" in terms of his abilities but not really considering what side of the plate he's on. Coaches may think about it to an extent, but a pitcher isn't (and shouldn't honestly) be thinking that far ahead.
The coach knows whose next and who is behind him and that does impact the pitch calls.
I think you can build an excellent case either way.
Right now with Crews and Morgan going well and with Doughty at three, no way Mainieri makes a move now. It is going to stay that way unless we slump as a team and only then would he think about a major move like that.
We have two rookies producing, and each is thriving. He isn’t about to change that under those circumstances.
I’d like him to find a good left handed bat and put him ninth (Gio)
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:37 am to ell_13
quote:I'm not sure which stats you're referring to but the LSU baseball stats on LSUSports.net were updated to include last night's game since the first time I checked them at around 8:30 this morning.
Again, this was before yesterday. Stats are not updated yet.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:41 am to doubleb
quote:I said exactly this after the 14-0 nichols win. We will win these games and the order won't be a real issue because just about any lineup would beat these teams.
Right now with Crews and Morgan going well and with Doughty at three, no way Mainieri makes a move now. It is going to stay that way unless we slump as a team
quote:I'm not so sure Gio will be back soon. Hamstrings are legit tough to come back from. He may not be 100% even when he does return.
He isn’t about to change that under those circumstances.
I’d like him to find a good left handed bat and put him ninth (Gio)
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:42 am to LSURussian
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I'm not sure which stats you're referring to but the LSU baseball stats on LSUSports.net were updated to include last night's game since the first time I checked them at around 8:30 this morning.
You know the stats are all updated even here in St. George!
Wow
Lol
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:43 am to LSURussian
quote:There's a new page that is tough to use on mobile that may be updated. I don't go to that one. I go here for the game by game stats and here for the cumulative stats. It's the PDF format that's easier to read imo.
I'm not sure which stats you're referring to but the LSU baseball stats on LSUSports.net were updated to include last night's game since the first time I checked them at around 8:30 this morning.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:46 am to ell_13
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There's a new page that is tough to use on mobile that may be updated. I don't go to that one. I go here for the game by game stats and here for the cumulative stats. It's the PDF format that's easier to read i
You need to move out here.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:47 am to doubleb
I'm perfectly happy in the LP.
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