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re: BUNTING basics for Lester

Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:50 am to
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6968 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:50 am to
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This is just a terrible comparison that does not speak to what you are trying to say at all.


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Football has evolved in this same exact way as baseball has. Basketball, too.


So the comparison is pretty good?


Going for it on 4th down compared to a field goal now compared to 20 years ago is pretty darn close to bunting over runners now compared to 20 years ago. It’s based on actual stats but also the better coaches know game flow is more important.

There is no winner in conversations like this. It’s still gut calls by the coach to create seperation from the opposing team.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 11:51 am
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284884 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 12:03 pm to
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It’s based on actual stats but also the better coaches know game flow is more important.


Lol you probably think there are people that regularly beat the house at a casino too, huh?

Let me guess, they just have “it”?


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It’s still gut calls by the coach to create seperation from the opposing team.


Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it true.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
8264 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 12:11 pm to
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Worse hitters and less opportunities. Any other brain busters?



So in your scenario how would they have busted it open with worse hitters coming up? Or was your only hope Dickinson?
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28065 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 12:18 pm to
Oh look. He didn’t bunt Jones. SHOCKING. Lololol
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
40061 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 12:30 pm to
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88Oh look. He didn’t bunt Jones. SHOCKING. Lololol


And it cost us a run!!!

Maybe. lol

But no, you don’t bunt Jones ever.
Posted by Pankins
Flahrida
Member since Oct 2010
1273 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 12:34 pm to
Sorry for not living on TD I guess. I wasn’t weighing in on the bunting debate.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:00 pm to
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Just as amazing is people including coaches paid millions of dollars ignore mountains of data explaining something and disregard it because uh that’s the way it was always done


Thank goodness we have actual, knowledgeable coaches, and message board posters like yourself aren't calling the shots.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Runs are made into a premium when you give away outs when it’s set up for a big inning.


This makes no sense, they didn't have a big inning. Giving away one out didn't stop your alleged big inning from happening.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34656 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:08 pm to
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Giving away one out didn't stop your alleged big inning from happening.




You don’t know baseball
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:12 pm to
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You don’t know baseball


I'm glad you believe that. I'd be worried if an actual Rantard like yourself agreed with my takes.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6968 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:15 pm to
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Lol you probably think there are people that regularly beat the house at a casino too, huh?


O Lester. You never change. You throw so much bs when you have nothing left in a discussion. What the hell does the casino have to do with the price of tea in China. Be you man. Always.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29436 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:16 pm to
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Giving away one out didn't stop your alleged big inning from happening.
It’s a fact that doing so makes a big inning less likely. You’re much better off going with the “Jay wanted to practice it” or “Jay only wanted one run” defense.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6968 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:16 pm to
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Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it true.


Because your top coaches do it makes it interesting. Like I said, there is no winning a side of this.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:17 pm to
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It’s a fact that doing so makes a big inning less likely. You’re much better off going with the “Jay wanted to practice it” or “Jay only wanted one run” defense.


We've had no big innings this weekend
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34656 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:20 pm to
Because we turned our 5 hole hitter into a pitcher midway through the game with runners on first and second and no outs
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:22 pm to
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Because we turned our 5 hole hitter into a pitcher midway through the game with runners on first and second and no outs


And if we let him swing away, maybe he just pops out and we get nothing out of that inning. Maybe he hits into a double play.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34656 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:25 pm to
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And if we let him swing away, maybe he just pops out and we get nothing out of that inning. Maybe he hits into a double play.



Our expected runs from the inning went DOWN because of the sacrifice.


Your possibility exists for the bunt call as well. He could pop it up to the catcher. He could catch it hard and the pitcher gets the lead runner or worse double play. The guy bats over .350 and has an ops over 1.000. It was a dumb decision to do that early in the game with that hitter.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29436 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:25 pm to
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We've had no big innings this weekend
As previously mentioned:
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It’s a fact that doing so makes a big inning less likely. You’re much better off going with the “Jay wanted to practice it” or “Jay only wanted one run” defense.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61086 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:28 pm to
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Our expected runs from the inning went DOWN because of the sacrifice.


Your possibility exists for the bunt call as well. The guy bats over .350 and has an ops over 1.000. It was a dumb decision to do that early in the game with that hitter.


Jay has already stated that they're going to try to manufacture runs with small ball this year when they have to, honestly you might as well get used to it.

In games like today and yesterday, a single run on the board is far more valuable than the dream of some "possible big inning."
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284884 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 1:45 pm to
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You throw so much bs when you have nothing left in a discussion. What the hell does the casino have to do with


I’m trying to educate you with the most basic examples I can think of & you still can’t connect the dots.

You think the result of each decision is inconsequential because the only thing that matters is the coaches gut, when the results can and have been quantified. It’s hard to put into words how ignorant you sound right now.

Do you think the whole wide world of baseball just decided to stop bunting all of a sudden?
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