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re: BUNTING basics for Lester
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:40 am to BallChamp00
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:40 am to BallChamp00
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Maybe at 9u baseball. In high school and college it is very difficult to get the lead runner out on a sac bunt.
I’d agree with you had you said a “good” sac bunt.
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also not very smart to waste a lot of practice time trying to get a lead runner.
I didn’t say we devoted most of that to trying to get the lead runner. We were fine taking the out at 1st. But we practiced it enough to where it had to be a “good” bunt to move the runners.
But if you’ve got runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and a hard throwing strikeout guy on the mound, you can pitch the batter with balls off the plate or up and hope he chases and you get a K. Worst case he walks, then you’ve got corner IF in and middle infielders at double play depth with the bases loaded, making a double play a likely outcome.
But again, it would depend on the situation and who’s up and how he matches up with the pitcher.
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:48 am to Glizzy_gang
I am 100% certain that if Jay had called for the batter to swing away in that situation last night and the batter hit into a double play and LSU didn't score a run after having runners on first and second with no outs, the same knuckleheads in this thread who are telling us how stupid Jay was to bunt would be screaming in a 20 page thread today telling us how stupid Jay was to not call for a bunt.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:51 am to Tiger1988
Yes, those are the same dumbasses who bitch that LSU can't bunt when it matters.. So now they take the opportunity to get the experience and all we get is bitching.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:54 am to LSURussian
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I am 100% certain that if Jay had called for the batter to swing away in that situation last night and the batter hit into a double play and LSU didn't score a run after having runners on first and second with no outs, the same knuckleheads in this thread who are telling us how stupid Jay was to bunt would be screaming in a 20 page thread today telling us how stupid Jay was to not call for a bunt.
Come on Russian, you are smarter than this.
I fall in the camp of sac bunting is almost never a good idea. If you play by the numbers in baseball, then it'll work out for you more than it won't. That being said, if JJ's logic was to get some live work for a time a sac bunt may make sense then I'm perfectly fine with it.
Also, you are better than playing the what if game. In all sports, but a ton in baseball, you can make the correct play and it doesn't work out. You can also make the incorrect play and it works out sometimes. I know you understand that's how this game works. Hindsight is 20-20, and only fools play that game.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:55 am to LSURussian
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I am 100% certain that if Jay had called for the batter to swing away in that situation last night and the batter hit into a double play and LSU didn't score a run after having runners on first and second with no outs, the same knuckleheads in this thread who are telling us how stupid Jay was to bunt would be screaming in a 20 page thread today telling us how stupid Jay was to not call for a bunt.
You are literally 100% wrong. We are talking about the decision, not the outcome. Those of us “anti-bunt” guys are pretty consistent with focusing on the decision and not the result.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:56 am to LSURussian
quote:Thats one hell of a completely wrong run-on sentence.
I am 100% certain that if Jay had called for the batter to swing away in that situation last night and the batter hit into a double play and LSU didn't score a run after having runners on first and second with no outs, the same knuckleheads in this thread who are telling us how stupid Jay was to bunt would be screaming in a 20 page thread today telling us how stupid Jay was to not call for a bunt.
The only people bitching would be the 4 hard core “bunting is a serious weapon!” people.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:01 am to Lester Earl
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The Astro's had 12 sacrifice bunts last year in 161 games. They sacrifice bunted once every 13.5 games.
AND WE HAVE A DUMBASS WINNER!!!! Exactly proves my point about the intelligence of posters on this site about the history of baseball, strategy, statistics, long game, trust in players, etc etc etc. On top of that the reference to the Cards vs Astros or everyone else they played from their own division like the fricking Cubs.
Here is a Saturday assignment:
Read everything on Whitey Herzog and Ozzie Smith as you can.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:05 am to Hold That Tiger 10
quote:Maybe so, but I've been reading and posting on the Rant for almost 20 years and the one thing I've learned is that the usual suspects posters on here have never made a bad baseball coaching decision in their entire life using hindsight.
Come on Russian, you are smarter than this.
And, Lester, your using Major League Baseball statistics to justify how an LSU baseball head coach should be calling the plays is just about as applicable as if you used NFL statistics to prove your baseball point. The pitching, hitting and speed skill levels in MLB are not comparable to those skills in college baseball.
I realize you once posted you know more about baseball than other Rant posters simply because you've watched so many baseball games on TV, but maybe you actually need to have coached a college team (or at least a high school team) to learn about coaching baseball...
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:06 am to Tiger1988
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AND WE HAVE A DUMBASS WINNER!!!! Exactly proves my point about the intelligence of posters on this site about the history of baseball, strategy, statistics, long game, trust in players, etc etc etc.
It seems like you struggle with the notion that the game has evolved.
What does Whitey Herzog has to do with with bunting in 2025? He has not managed a baseball game in 25 years.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:07 am to Hot Carl
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But if you’ve got runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and a hard throwing strikeout guy on the mound, you can pitch the batter with balls off the plate or up and hope he chases and you get a K.
Hopefully the batter tightens the zone. You have to get the first strike first. You cant get to 2-0 counts in that situation.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:07 am to Howyouluhdat
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Correct. Like last night
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
It was the 5th inning.
With a runner on 1st and 2’d with no outs up by 3 with a good hitter up.
That was the opportunity the game busts open.
We lowered the possible runs scored by bunting there.
Runs were at a premium BECAUSE we bunted.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
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It seems like you struggle with the notion that the game has evolved.
So has football but you still have coaches going against stats because points matter. In tight defensive games more fgs are kicked than going for it on 4th and short. Stats are a great measurement. Feel for the game flow is bigger.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:11 am to Adam Banks
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We lowered the possible runs scored by bunting there.
2 runners in scoring position while taking away the double play ball says otherwise.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:14 am to BallChamp00
The fact is there is no measurement that can add situation and game flow into the stat. So you really can’t argue one way or the other. Sometimes it’s good to bunt over runners, sometimes it isn’t. We have one of the best coaches in baseball. I’m sure he knows more than all of us combined.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:18 am to Hot Carl
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You are literally 100% wrong. We are talking about the decision, not the outcome. Those of us “anti-bunt” guys are pretty consistent with focusing on the decision and not the result.
The result matters in hindsight. If something is ineffective then nobody would do it EVER. Lester keeps pointing out how infrequent the MLB bunts but it is still done for a reason just like JJ did last night. Does it mean it needs to be done as much as UK? No which is inline with his “MLB” comparison
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:19 am to BallChamp00
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So has football but you still have coaches going against stats because points matter. In tight defensive games more fgs are kicked than going for it on 4th and short. Stats are a great measurement. Feel for the game flow is bigger.
Football decisions are so far past what the status quo used to be that it doesn’t even register how often a coach decides to take a risk that wouldn’t have even been considered 20 years ago. This is just a terrible comparison that does not speak to what you are trying to say at all.
Football has evolved in this same exact way as baseball has. Basketball, too.
Decades of historical data has been studied to determine probability. These leagues had adapted & embraced it but a lot of fans are still ignorant to it.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:22 am to Adam Banks
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That was the opportunity the game busts open.
Then why didn’t they “bust it open” after the bunt? There was only 1 out?
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Runs were at a premium BECAUSE we bunted.
So 1 out out of 27 caused LSU to only score 4 runs?
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:26 am to BillF
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Lester literally lives at a keyboard (over 283,000 posts on these boards), so why pick on him? Guys like him are generally fat, incontinent, and they smell really funny. No reason to make his existence even less substantial than it already is
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:29 am to BallChamp00
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2 runners in scoring position while taking away the double play ball says otherwise.
Dickinson is way less likely to GIDP( 2% of all PA over his career) vs foil a bunt attempt based on the rolling 3yr average of major leaguers (15%).
Posted on 2/22/25 at 11:46 am to Howyouluhdat
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Then why didn’t they “bust it open” after the bunt? There was only 1 out?
Worse hitters and less opportunities.
Any other brain busters?
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