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re: Brian Kelly vs Les Miles CFB HOF
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:06 am to turnpiketiger
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:06 am to turnpiketiger
Who is arguing that Miles or Orgeron should make the HOF over BK? I haven't seen anyone try to say that. Also, if you are trying to say that ND doesn't commit a lot of resources to football, that's just ignorant.
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Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:08 am to JiminyCricket
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O inherited a great roster from Miles
Wait I thought Miles was a dumbass, how did he build a great roster? So who gets credit for 19? Miles or O?
Or should we just credit to saban for all the championships?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:09 am to JiminyCricket
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O inherited a great roster from Miles and did in fact have good fortune to happen to have Bill Busch on staff who had a connection with the Burrow family.
What the frick are you talking about?
Busch was hired by O in 2018. Years after miles was fired. He obviously brought Busch over to also get Burrow. Nonetheless, those are moves Orgeron made.
Yall just can’t accept the fact that O deserves credit for that championship. Hate the man for his handling of 2020 and 2021 but you can’t deny that he was the guy for the job taking over for Les. Cleaned up in 2017, gained steam in 2018 and knocked it out the park in 2019.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:09 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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This is somewhat true, but Les also had a team that was most accomplished of any team ever, that got screwed into a rematch and lost a championship he should have had. So it should balance out when you point out how lucky the 2007 season was.
The rematch was B/S but the result just highlighted how inept Miles was offensively. Just think back to that game if you haven't erased it from your memory yet. Alabama did a ton to help AJ get into the flow of the game. Bootlegs, play-action to the tight ends in the flats. Just those little details that weren't enormous plays but allowed AJ to settle in and keep LSU's defense on the field. JJ & JL both were subpar QB's but Les and the offensive staff did absolutely nothing to help them get into the flow of the game. He set them up to fail in spectacular fashion.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:11 am to High Life
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Wait I thought Miles was a dumbass, how did he build a great roster? So who gets credit for 19? Miles or O?
Or should we just credit to saban for all the championships?
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Les could build a roster but was also a dumbass. The fact that he built such rosters and managed to piss down his leg only reinforced the evidence that he is a moron.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:12 am to JiminyCricket
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The rebuild that BK had to undertake was so much different than the situations O and Les inherited, it's almost not worth even discussing.
People tend to forget how bad of a state the program was in when BK took the job. That Texas Bowl vs K State was a low that many of us haven’t seen at LSU since the 90s.
The fact that BK was able to patch it up and manage to beat Bama en route to ATL was as good of a job as anyone could’ve done. People just see that gold helmet and assume LSU is always loaded. That’s false.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:12 am to turnpiketiger
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What the frick are you talking about?
Busch was hired by O in 2018. Years after miles was fired. He obviously brought Busch over to also get Burrow. Nonetheless, those are moves Orgeron made.
Yall just can’t accept the fact that O deserves credit for that championship. Hate the man for his handling of 2020 and 2021 but you can’t deny that he was the guy for the job taking over for Les. Cleaned up in 2017, gained steam in 2018 and knocked it out the park in 2019.
You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say O doesn't deserve credit for 2019. I'm saying the program Ed took over from Les and the program Brian took over from Ed were not remotely the same thing.
Ed was very fortunate to have not only the roster, but also the staff he inherited from Les. We saw what happened when Ed had to hire his own assistants and build his own roster. He failed miserably at replacing both his coordinators and the talent on the field as well.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:15 am to JiminyCricket
No you actually said O was fortunate to have Busch on the staff. Implying that he didn’t hire him and that he was one of Les’ guys. In reality Busch came to LSU in 2018. That was an O hire.
Not putting words in anyone’s mouth. I’m quoting what you literally said.
Not putting words in anyone’s mouth. I’m quoting what you literally said.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:16 am to JiminyCricket
Now you edit the post.
The only guy O was lucky to have on staff was Aranda. The rest was all him.
I guess in your mind, O had nothing to do with Joe Brady joining the staff
The only guy O was lucky to have on staff was Aranda. The rest was all him.
I guess in your mind, O had nothing to do with Joe Brady joining the staff
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:25 am to turnpiketiger
BK had to deal with admissions standards at ND. He should be in the playoffs each year going forward and win at least one natty here before he retires. I would say multiple nattys here but the free agency/NIL era is still an unknown.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:28 am to JiminyCricket
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The fact that he built such rosters and managed to piss down his leg only reinforced the evidence that he is a moron.
Ooooor maybe (this is just a wild hypothesis) just maybe he was stuck competing in the same division as the greatest coach of all time and one of the greatest football programs of all time. Maybe Les, the winningest coach in lsu history, wasn't a complete idiot. Maybe he was just not the greatest ever...
Maybe coach O was a great recruiter, maybe O was a great motivator? Maybe he did know a thing or two about football. Some even say he was the main reason lsu adopted a modern spread offense.. Maybe Coach O had a hard time dealing with a mass exit of talent to the nfl and a global pandemic?
Nah frick all that perspective. Lets just sit behind our keyboards and call everyone who isn't perfect a dumbass idiot moron.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:43 am to ipodking
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Les has a natty
Bryan don’t
Les wins
That is some stupid logic. By that logic Coach O and Gene having a National Title means they "win" and better Coaches. AND neither of them are better Coaches than Brian Kelly.
Now back to Miles vs Kelly. Not even remotely close. Kelly is the much better Coach hands down.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:54 am to ipodking
quote:Cant even spell Kellys name right
Les has a natty
Bryan don’t
Les wins
Are you really even a Tiger fan?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:09 am to ipodking
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Les has a natty Bryan don’t Les wins
How stupid lol
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:44 am to turnpiketiger
quote:Well, that's complete bullshite.
What the frick are you talking about?
Busch was hired by O in 2018. Years after miles was fired. He obviously brought Busch over to also get Burrow. Nonetheless, those are moves Orgeron made.
Busch was a former assistant under Dave Aranda at Wisconsin and Utah State. The NCAA created a tenth coaching position, so Aranda hired Busch to be the safeties coach to add to a defensive staff that includes himself (linebackers), Raymond (defensive backs), and Dennis Johnson (defensive line).
Busch was hired in February 2018. Burrow played in the Ohio State Spring Game in April 2018. So obviously, Busch was not hired to "also get" Burrow.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:54 am to turnpiketiger
quote:Ensminger was on staff when Orgeron became the head coach. Ensminger moved from coaching tight ends to handling quarterbacks while also being the offensive coordinator. Raymond was also on staff.
The only guy O was lucky to have on staff was Aranda. The rest was all him.
quote:I loved the way you framed your statement. Did O have nothing to do with Joe Brady joining the staff? I guess O signed the contract, but that's about it. He deferred to Ensminger and then ran background checks on Brady.
I guess in your mind, O had nothing to do with Joe Brady joining the staff
Ensminger knew what he wanted to run for 2019, but he also knew that he was not an expert in that scheme. He knew there were details about the offense he wanted to run, such as specific responses to defensive looks, that he needed to learn.
Ensminger started doing more research, and he learned that Brady was a source of that information. Ensminger had a meeting with Brady; O was not at that meeting. Ensminger consulted with Brady about the details of the offense and decided that Brady knew the offense so well that Ensminger told Orgeron to hire Brady.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:02 pm to JiminyCricket
Agree.
And while i think LSU got screwed when NCAA gave Bama a mulligan for the NC, Miles laid such a big egg in the NC game that you have to wonder if he would have been adequately prepared for ANYBODY on 1/9/12.
Its kinda rare when one can fairly lay the blame for a loss on HC, but 1/9/12 is just such a case.
And while i think LSU got screwed when NCAA gave Bama a mulligan for the NC, Miles laid such a big egg in the NC game that you have to wonder if he would have been adequately prepared for ANYBODY on 1/9/12.
Its kinda rare when one can fairly lay the blame for a loss on HC, but 1/9/12 is just such a case.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:05 pm to ipodking
quote:
Les has a natty
Bryan don’t
Brian Kelly has 2 nattys in Division 2. That'll count toward his candidacy. He's easily in IMO.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:33 pm to Salviati
quote:History revisionists
Well, that's complete bullshite.
Burrow didn't hit portal till May '18 about 3-4 months after Busch hire. Joe fully expected to win tOSU start after Spring game.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:45 pm to ipodking
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#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
nah GFY
quote:
Les has a natty
Bryan don’t
Les wins
brian will very soon so..........
nah GFY
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 12:47 pm
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