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re: Brian Kelly, Coach O and Les Miles: Rank them in your opinion
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:24 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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Interims don't count.
He wasn't interim in 2017 bird brain
But yes, when he was an interim in 2016, he went 8-4, even with Les spotting him 2 losses.
The great BK will struggle to get to 8-4 this year.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 1:25 pm
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:24 pm to JiminyCricket
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Again, I didn't say that Kelly has achieved more at LSU than Miles.
He hasn't achieved more than Les for his career. THe qualifier of "at LSU" is unnecessary.
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Just that Kelly has sustained a higher level of success at more places over a longer period of time than Miles did.
This is where we pretend that conference-less ND is now a tougher place to win than LSU in teh golden era of SEC?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:25 pm to The Pirate King
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He wasn't interim in 2017 bird brain
That's how forgettable his tenure is. Keep blowing him.
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The great BK will struggle to get to 8-4 this year.
If/when he'sfired, he wouldn't be unemployed for 3+ years. No one wants O
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's how forgettable his tenure is.
His 2020-2021 were bad but acting like he was a one-year wonder is just disingenuous and false. 2016-2018 were pretty much on par with what BK is doing.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:27 pm to The Pirate King
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His 2020-2021 were bad but acting like he was a one-year wonder is just disingenuous and false.
He was nothing without Les's coordinators.
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. 2016-2018 were pretty much on par with what BK is doing.
BK sucks too, but he isn't an all time bad coach like O
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:27 pm to LNCHBOX
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He hasn't achieved more than Les for his career. THe qualifier of "at LSU" is unnecessary.
By that logic, Gene Chizik is a better coach than Lane, Kelly, Lanning, Cignetti, etc. Brian Kelly was good at more places than Les was and had more success over the entirety of his career than Les.
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This is where we pretend that conference-less ND is now a tougher place to win than LSU in teh golden era of SEC?
I'm saying he won at other places before Notre Dame for the totality of his career.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:28 pm to JiminyCricket
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By that logic, Gene Chizik is a better coach than Lane, Kelly, Lanning, Cignetti, etc.
Uh, no. Chizik didn't do it for a decade plus.
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I'm saying he won at other places before Notre Dame for the totality of his career.
Les won plenty at OSU
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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Les won plenty at OSU
Les was 28-21 at OSU
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Uh, no. Chizik didn't do it for a decade plus.
The difference between Les and Kelly is that Kelly has more wins and Les has a championship. I'm saying a title should factor in but over the course of an entire career, Les was less consistent in winning as opposed to Kelly. If the determining factor of who had a better career is winning a title or not, Chizik would be better than the listed coaches.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:29 pm to LNCHBOX
It's Les and it's not close. O got lucky and as a fan I will take it. Miles though, was better in every way as a game day coach.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:29 pm to JiminyCricket
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Les was 28-21 at OSU
Anyone this intellectually dishonest isn't worth talking to, have a good day
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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Anyone this intellectually dishonest isn't worth talking to, have a good day
Is it not a fact that he went 28-21? He had like 3 ranked wins at OSU.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:47 pm to JiminyCricket
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Best coach over the entirety of a career? Brian Kelly.
Quit eating mushrooms. No way in hell Kelly fits that bill over Saban.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:11 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I can give BK a sort of inheritance grade curve from the mess he took over unlike the other 2, but still not enough to avoid last place.
Les actually did everything we wish Kelly would do here.
The WR drops/routes, RB vision, OL wiiffs/pancaked and D discipline are just too concerning.....almost like he doesn't have a handle on the program.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:18 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
It's all relative.
If I have a program in the dumps and I need someone to resurrect it, I'm taking Brian Kelly 100 times out of 100 out of those 3 options.
He's the only one of those 3 that has built multiple programs to a level of consistently being good.
If I have a program in the dumps and I need someone to resurrect it, I'm taking Brian Kelly 100 times out of 100 out of those 3 options.
He's the only one of those 3 that has built multiple programs to a level of consistently being good.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 2:30 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
Two of them have something the third leprachaun doesn't have.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:06 pm to The Pirate King
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9-4 (No Burrow, Chase, or Brady)
10-3 (Mid Burrow)
15-0 (Elite Burrow)
Hardly a fluke.
Well, there were those seasons after Burrow....
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:30 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
The difference between Les and BK is it was easy to like Les, despite the on field performance.
BK has done little to endear the fan base.
BK has done little to endear the fan base.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:33 pm to John Casey
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He's the only one of those 3 that has built multiple programs to a level of consistently being good.
Except for LSU
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:35 pm to LNCHBOX
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Swamp Monster is a distant #3 .. terrible coach that lucked out having Aranda, E/Brady and Burrow
Yet one BK's biggest flaws is the fact that he brought House and Sloan. "He can't hire quality assistants." Is what keeps being said in here. Yet, O putting together a great coaching staff and getting Burrow is simply "lucking out."
So one of BK's faults is he can't get quality assistants but one of O's biggest faults is he had too quality of assistants. Make that make sense.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:37 pm to SmogkDeizKnutz
Orgeron (somehow) brought us to the highest heights. He was able to stack talent...but wasn't able to sustain. His demons got in the way.
Miles was the better program builder. He maintained an elite program for a very long time.
Kelly is a distant 3rd. He hasn't shown the ability to build a complete program. And, 4 years in, he's staring at more major holes on the roster heading into next year without a clear path to being successful. And, if I'm being honest, his actual coaching ability was pretty highly overrated.
Miles was the better program builder. He maintained an elite program for a very long time.
Kelly is a distant 3rd. He hasn't shown the ability to build a complete program. And, 4 years in, he's staring at more major holes on the roster heading into next year without a clear path to being successful. And, if I'm being honest, his actual coaching ability was pretty highly overrated.
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