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re: Brennan vs Johnson Part II: The Tape
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:00 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:00 am to Lester Earl
sighs.
This is why everyone on this board gets so annoyed with you. You start by making an asinine point like; "we have to start Johnson or we will be sacrificing a big chunk of the playbook" or "Joe Brady's offense comes from Joe Moorhead" or "Brennan only had nice numbers against Mizzou because of turnovers" or "only running QBs win championships in college football".
Then when several posters nail your sorry arse to the wall, you start this point by point bullshite, then end up arguing with yourself over how similar Brady's playbook is to Payton's. You still haven't made any of these points. and one more thing....
These arent even Mayfield's rushing stats. He's never had more than 405 yards rushing and that was on, wait for it, 141 carries. He's not considered a running QB.
Go haver another cup of coffee then come back and try again, sport.
This is why everyone on this board gets so annoyed with you. You start by making an asinine point like; "we have to start Johnson or we will be sacrificing a big chunk of the playbook" or "Joe Brady's offense comes from Joe Moorhead" or "Brennan only had nice numbers against Mizzou because of turnovers" or "only running QBs win championships in college football".
Then when several posters nail your sorry arse to the wall, you start this point by point bullshite, then end up arguing with yourself over how similar Brady's playbook is to Payton's. You still haven't made any of these points. and one more thing....
quote:
2015: 634 yds
2016: 310 yds
2017: 506 yards
These arent even Mayfield's rushing stats. He's never had more than 405 yards rushing and that was on, wait for it, 141 carries. He's not considered a running QB.
Go haver another cup of coffee then come back and try again, sport.
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:04 am to Lester Earl
quote:
Huh?
Now they do. Every QB they’ve recruited since Brennan have been mobile, athletic, off plane throwers. Except for TJ.
Max
Nussmeier
Howard
Arch, Holstein, Rickie Collins
Les Miles is not walking thru that door, bubba. Get used to it
So now we've morphed from running QBs to athletic/off-plane throwers? Arch Manning is going to hit the edge and pick up a tough 14 yards against Bama in a few years? Jesus man.
ETA: and Brennan is actually very good passing against pressure. He's not Patrick Mahomes, but neither is Max Johnson.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 8:10 am
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:08 am to lsupride87
quote:
The only arguments for Johnson are
1. He can run better
2. People that use team results
There is one other: Johnson seemed more poised. I have believed all along that Brennan is our best QB, but the one thing that makes me nervous is he looked a little skittish last season, and I don't remember that ever going away.
Hopefully his near career-ending injury will have given him some perspective and result in a calmer approach. I'm not too worried about mobility; the great QBs in the pros have mostly shown that the ability to drift around the pocket is the only mobility a QB really needs.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:13 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
These arent even Mayfield's rushing stats. He's never had more than 405 yards rushing and that was on, wait for it, 141 carries. He's not considered a running QB.
You know they deduct sack yardage from a QBs rushing total in college, right?
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This is why everyone on this board gets so annoyed with you.
Because you very clearly don’t know what you’re talking about?
And what makes it even better is how you curse & call names lol. Even though you don’t know anything. You literally just proved 3 of my own points you were arguing with me about
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:14 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
So now we've morphed from running QBs to athletic/off-plane throwers? Arch Manning is going to hit the edge and pick up a tough 14 yards against Bama in a few years? Jesus man.
None of these guys are dissimilar to joe burrow or even a guy like Mayfield, you who didn’t even realize was a threat to run
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:16 am to Penrod
The running ability of Max Johnson is so wildly overrated on this board, it gives me a headache. If he wins the job, it'll have everything to do with his arm and nothing to do with his legs. We might run a few more designed draws with Max, but other than that, the only thing that changes is the protections because he's a lefty.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:21 am to Vacherie Saint
Johnson is above an average athlete. I dont Think he’s as good scrambling to throw as he is when he ticks and run, but he isn’t an amazing runner.
He’s good enough to justify designed runs.
Brennan also isnt a statue. He’s not super athletic but he isn’t Mettenburger. He actually finished 2019 with positive yards on 9 attempts and for some reason we ran read option with him.
He’s good enough to justify designed runs.
Brennan also isnt a statue. He’s not super athletic but he isn’t Mettenburger. He actually finished 2019 with positive yards on 9 attempts and for some reason we ran read option with him.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:24 am to Lester Earl
quote:right. so your numbers are fricking wrong. you dont get to add yards back to make a point.
You know they deduct sack yardage from a QBs rushing total in college, right?
quote:I call you names because you are the worst thing about fan forums; the pseudo-expert contrarian who runs up threads with narrative driven garbage from mom's basement.
Because you very clearly don’t know what you’re talking about?
[quote]And what makes it even better is how you curse & call names lol.
quote:
Even though you don’t know anything. You literally just proved 3 of my own points you were arguing with me about
You are literally the only person arguing this stuff. 11 pages in and its just you, all alone with your ego. But no one else knows what they are talking about right? Not even PFF metrics or the guy at SB Nation who gets paid to write about football. Thank God we have you!
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:25 am to Hold That Tiger 10
The facts are that an Immobile quarterback like Brennan cannot take a team to the top four playoff spots. You can’t beat Bama with an a immobile quarterback nor will you beat Clemson. They all have figured out that their quarterbacks better be able to run. Statues are out.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:29 am to Lester Earl
quote:this is correct.
But the ability of burrow to keep the ball on read plays gave defenses more to think about on the post snap RPO plays that LSU ran. A handoff or a pass or burrow keeping. You throw out one of those options with a Brennan. Not always about the result, but about the threat.
We don't need a QB that runs as much as a RB. But a few times when he can keep it and pick up 6 yards makes the defense have to respect that possibility on EVERY play.
And that's good for the entire offense.
And that doesn't even count the improvised scrambling of a mobile QB, which can turn a sack into a nice gain.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:30 am to Folsom
Brennan is not a statue anymore than Johnson is Mike Vick.
Brennan is actually very good moving in the pocket and pretty lethal throwing into pressure. We're going to be OK.
Bama literally beat the ever living shite out of Justin Fields for the natty last year with a dude that plays a lot like MB.
Brennan is actually very good moving in the pocket and pretty lethal throwing into pressure. We're going to be OK.
Bama literally beat the ever living shite out of Justin Fields for the natty last year with a dude that plays a lot like MB.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:34 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
right. so your numbers are fricking wrong. you dont get to add yards back to make a point.
No, not right lol. Cause you didn’t know that. Because no rational person would claim that someone who can run for 600 yards would not have mobility.
quote:
call you names because you are the worst thing about fan forums
That’s probably the disconnect. You are an emotional fan boy & I am not. I just call it like I see it. And that upsets you because it doesn’t fit your fan boy narrative.
quote:
But no one else knows what they are talking about right?
You know right where to find me
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:40 am to BayouCowboy
Max doesn't have the arm strength
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:43 am to Lester Earl
quote:Everyone knows that. And having mobility does not equal a running qb. Him taking 200 yards in sacks doesnt really beef up your argument if you want to get particular. No one considers Mayfield to be a running QB. Well, except you, I guess.
No, not right lol. Cause you didn’t know that. Because no rational person would claim that someone who can run for 600 yards would not have mobility
quote:
That’s probably the disconnect. You are an emotional fan boy & I am not. I just call it like I see it. And that upsets you because it doesn’t fit your fan boy narrative.
LOL. Lester Earl calling someone a narrative driven fanboy? You are so rock hard for Johnson that you tried to start rumors on this forum about Brennan's work ethic, knowing players and coaches read this. You are a piece of shite. See? I called you another name.
The best passer will start. THAT's my narrative.
quote:
You know right where to find me
Yes. In mom's basement googling advances stats to shoehorn them to the insane statements you make on this board.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:44 am to LSUDobber
quote:
Max doesn't have the arm strength
Im curious to see how this develops. Burrow in 18 looked to have a bit of a noodle, then he came back in 19 significantly improved.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:45 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
We might run a few more designed draws with Max, but other than that, the only thing that changes is the protections because he's a lefty.
You may give up the vertical passing game as well.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:49 am to LSUDobber
quote:
Max doesn't have the arm strength
Guess I need to dig up the 65yard throw in the air rolling right, again
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:55 am to Lester Earl
Max is noted for his arm strength about as much as Baker is noted for his open field running ability.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:57 am to wadewilson
quote:
You may give up the vertical passing game as well.
I disagree. I think the zip will come. It wont ever be on Brennan's level but it will be good enough.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 8:59 am to Vacherie Saint
Says the guy that just learned they deduct sack yards from rushing totals lol
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