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re: Bracketology: LSU first 4 out (bubble talk)
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:15 am to DREADS r SICK
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:15 am to DREADS r SICK
quote:what a fricking stupid stupid statement. I hate fans like you.
I would rather not make the tourney than get embarrassed on national television.
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 7:14 am to easy money
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Could use Georgia loss too and we can close in on Vandy some if they lose to A&M.
We need Vandy to win. They win and we win and we share the SEC title. Vandy is in the tourney right now. We beat them at Vandy that's a quality win for our resume.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:16 am to pellietigersaint
quote:How would you treat a team that is 3-7 on the road and 0-2 at neutral sites? 3-6 against teams ranked 101-150 in the RPI. Those are teams who won't come close to the NCAA tournament and we lose 6 out of 9??? Our "signature" wins are against Vandy (without one of their best players), Kentucky, and A&M. and A&M beat us once as well. That's it.
The RPI should be buried with the BCS. Who you play is weighted more heavily than who you beat. Losing a game and moving up in the RPI is asinine. Me having to root for Wake and CoC at this point, as well as their opponents is plain dumb
Sorry, but I can't even see why we are in the "first 4 out." We have only 2 out of conference games against top 100 opponents and they are both losses.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:25 am to mmcgrath
You discredit our win against Vandy while they were missing their 3rd best player but yet don't take into account our injuries. I'm pretty sure that's why we are in the first 4 out. With a healthy lineup we are one of the top teams in the sec. If we went 7-6 ooc with both Craig and Keith playing we would have never had a shot.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:32 am to mmcgrath
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Sorry, but I can't even see why we are in the "first 4 out." We have only 2 out of conference games against top 100 opponents and they are both losses
This is a problem with the RPI. They award you for losing games to very good RPI teams just for playing them. It is also the reason why I don't get why they don't schedule a tougher OOC schedule. If you have the same OOC record with a much better schedule LSU's rpi would be much higher.
You have two options. Schedule a tough OOC schedule and do ok in it and win a couple tough road games or schedule weak OOC and rack up a bunch of wins. Problem with the second one is you better have a great OOC record.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:51 am to geauxtigers33
Exactly like South Carolina. USCe had a ridiculously easy sec slate, so scheduled an extremely easy OOC schedule...and they're a 7-seed
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:55 am to mmcgrath
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How would you treat a team that is 3-7 on the road
No sec team has a winning record on the road. I stopped reading when you led off your argument by talking about record on the road.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 8:58 am to pellietigersaint
Just win the SECT and nothing else matters.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:05 am to pellietigersaint
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Losing a game and moving up in the RPI is asinine.
really???
What if RPI no. 200 loses a very close game, on the road, to RPI no. 1??? Shouldn't no. 200 move up, even though they lost? Of course they should.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:07 am to Pnels08
quote:Discounting one of our 3 not so special "signature" wins is easier than discounting 6 losses to teams not even ranked among the top 100 teams in the country. Especially when two of those losses were last week at full strength.
You discredit our win against Vandy while they were missing their 3rd best player but yet don't take into account our injuries. I'm pretty sure that's why we are in the first 4 out. With a healthy lineup we are one of the top teams in the sec. If we went 7-6 ooc with both Craig and Keith playing we would have never had a shot.
We used to make fun of conference leaders who would lose to most of the non-conference teams the played. This year LSU is that team. Makes the whole conference suspect.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:07 am to mmcgrath
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How would you treat a team that is 3-7 on the road and 0-2 at neutral sites? 3-6 against teams ranked 101-150 in the RPI. Those are teams who won't come close to the NCAA tournament and we lose 6 out of 9??? Our "signature" wins are against Vandy (without one of their best players), Kentucky, and A&M. and A&M beat us once as well. That's it.
Sorry, but I can't even see why we are in the "first 4 out." We have only 2 out of conference games against top 100 opponents and they are both losses.
Cincinnati is generally considered one of the "last 4 in"
Compare them to LSU
LSU has an OVERALL better SOS (75 vs. 93). However, Cincy played a tougher non-conf. schedule
LSU is 3-3 vs. the top 50; Cincy is 2-5
LSU is 7-6 vs. the top 100; Cincy is 6-7
The biggest descrepancy is that LSU is only 5-6 vs. 101-200; While Cincy is 5-1 vs. that same group. That could be mitigated however, when you look at the fact Cincy has played 10 games vs. 201-350 (i.e. the worst teams in the country); While LSU has only played 6 of those teams.
All that to say, there isn't very much difference between the "last team in" and the "8th team out". A win by LSU Saturday would be enormous. A. It could possibly give them a share of the SEC Title; B. I doubt any other bubble team could say they beat a top 15 RPI team twice. Including one time on that opponent's home court where they haven't lost a game in over two years!
It never should have come to this, but we are in roughly the same spot that LSU was in last year going into the Arkansas game.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:08 am to atltiger6487
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What if RPI no. 200 loses a very close game, on the road, to RPI no. 1??? Shouldn't no. 200 move up, even though they lost? Of course they should.
That's not the point...
RPI doesn't take score into account at all...
The No 200 team could lose to the number 1 team by 150 points and move up...
RPI also doesn't take home court advantage into account which may be the worst part of the whole damn thing. In the SEC, home team wins 70% of the time, however RPI doesn't take location into account at all.
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 9:14 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:15 am to LSUButt
quote:They scheduled two top 100 out of conference teams just like LSU, but they won both games.
Exactly like South Carolina. USCe had a ridiculously easy sec slate, so scheduled an extremely easy OOC schedule...and they're a 7-seed
Not sure what you mean by an "easy sec slate". Especially when comparing them to LSU.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:17 am to Alt26
quote:This should be the only thing that matters. Besides a few possible auto-qualifiers, the NCAAT is made up of top 50/100 teams.
LSU is 3-3 vs. the top 50; Cincy is 2-5
LSU is 7-6 vs. the top 100; Cincy is 6-7
Who gives a shite if you lost to #250? They won't be in the NCAAT. What matters is that you can and have beat top 50 teams.
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 9:19 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:21 am to drizztiger
I have a feeling if this teams rises up and beat UK at Rup, then they will make the tourney and at least be in the one of the play in games. I truly believe that this committee wants to have the Ben Simmons phenomena to be a part of March Madness. If they win Sat. they are in!!!
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:27 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:I can see LSU beating Kentucky but then losing the first game of the SEC tournament, because that is the type of season it has been.
I have a feeling if this teams rises up and beat UK at Rup, then they will make the tourney and at least be in the one of the play in games. I truly believe that this committee wants to have the Ben Simmons phenomena to be a part of March Madness. If they win Sat. they are in!!!
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:27 am to pellietigersaint
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How did we just jump Bama and UF?
I have no opinion on whether or not either of those teams should make the 68 team field.
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We are 11-6 in conference
With an atrocious OOC showing. I tried telling you guys back in December that those games counted. They were important. I'm pulling for a 10 game win streak (11 if you count the one game already down), but LSU absolutely destroyed their seeding hopes losing to chump teams in November and December.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:30 am to SouthOfSouth
What do you think about BPI?
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:32 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
We still have the SEC tournament after that, and a one and done showing there would undo a lot of the boost we'd get from a win at UK. I think we'll need at least one win in Nashville as well to have a shot, and I'll start feeling good if we can win two and make it to the final.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 9:43 am to LSUButt
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RPI is the worst system in the history of college sports. It makes the BCS look like geniuses founded it. LSU was stupid to schedule at Charleston and at Houston because if you lose (which we did), we gain nothing. However, if we schedule at Michigan state and at Miami (which UF did) and lose, we jump 20 points in rpi. Ridiculous
Cry me a river (not you personally), but if LSU had beaten Houston, who may win the AAC, we'd be in right now most likely. We lost to a bunch of mediocre teams. This is not on the scheduling, and completely on the team/coach.
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