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re: Bottom line and all the blame lays here
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:27 am to burke985
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:27 am to burke985
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Brian Kelly was lazy with the OC position hire
I think keeping Bryce Underwood committed had a lot to do with him moving Sloan to the OC spot. Underwood has mentioned his relationship with Sloan in multiple interviews.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 8:30 am
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:32 am to UnluckyTiger
In fairness, Sloan called a decent game and there were lots of intermediate routes to take advantage of that we either didn’t execute on or stopped using as much in the second half to run more. The run game should be absolutely firing on all cylinders if the safeties are deep but that obviously failed and is part on the OLine part on play design. Continuing to call the run game with deep safeties was honestly the right move, we just couldn’t open holes for one reason or another and it killed drives.
Overall, 20 points was an underperformance but there is plenty of reason to see potential for the remainder of the season. Nuss was honestly incredible in his play given the defensive scheme.
Overall, 20 points was an underperformance but there is plenty of reason to see potential for the remainder of the season. Nuss was honestly incredible in his play given the defensive scheme.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:41 am to Tzanghi
Great points. Just so many things to be frustrated with considering our game 1’s of the last 2 seasons. The OL overhyped yet again, inability to run effectively, etc. we knew the running game would have to be better and more creative minus JD5 and didn’t really see much of it. Nuss looked great and Lacy looked like he is prepared to be a true 1.
And I was saying to my buddies as we were walking out of Allegiant that we are now gonna win at least the next 5 to give us all hope again and the tone of the season will completely flip once we knock off Ole Miss at home.
Just really tired of these seemingly slow out of the gate and unprepared for game 1s. Overall my main gripe is we didn’t test a USC defense that is notoriously poor. Instead we made them look like a top 10-15 defense in the country.
And I was saying to my buddies as we were walking out of Allegiant that we are now gonna win at least the next 5 to give us all hope again and the tone of the season will completely flip once we knock off Ole Miss at home.
Just really tired of these seemingly slow out of the gate and unprepared for game 1s. Overall my main gripe is we didn’t test a USC defense that is notoriously poor. Instead we made them look like a top 10-15 defense in the country.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:49 am to burke985
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Brian Kelly was lazy with the OC position hire.
Sloan was going to be Co-OC regardless of what Denbrock did. It's why Denbrock left. I believe that Sloan was promoted to keep him from going somewhere else so we could keep Underwood.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:00 am to JW6
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We had deep routes all night
No we didn’t.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:28 am to burke985
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Brian Kelly was lazy with the OC position hire.
who do you think muzzled the offense in the second half? It wasn't Sloan. BK came out at halftime and said exactly what he wanted to do in the second half, which was run the ball. To hell with the first half passing performance that was working.....let's try something different that we know we struggle with.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:29 am to burke985
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Brian Kelly was lazy with the OC position hire.
who do you think muzzled the offense in the second half? It wasn't Sloan. BK came out at halftime and said exactly what he wanted to do in the second half, which was run the ball. To hell with the first half passing performance that was working.....let's try something different that we know we struggle with.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:31 am to UnluckyTiger
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tone of the season will completely flip once we knock off Ole Miss at home.
This is going to happen. The hype is unreal for them on playing high school teams. The best win they have had in 2 years was a last second win over us in Oxford last year.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:36 am to burke985
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Brian Kelly was lazy with the OC position hire. The offense played scared the second half like they were just trying not to lose. You can't be like that, you have to stay aggressive you have to keep your foot on their throat not on your own. I don't know the exact stats but I'd like to see the amount of balls that Nuss threw down field more than 10 yd. I think they tried to make him something he is not. Nuss has a great arm and can push the ball 30 40 50 yards down the field. They didn't use that at all they didn't call any plays to support that. Brian Kelly and the coaches failed and so did the lazy coaching staff hire on offense thats the problem.
I disagree that Sloan was a lazy hire. It was protectionist. That could be just as bad if Sloan doesn’t grow up fast and produce. I just think he was promoted for a very specific reason, and it wasn’t convenience.
Sloan has proven to be an elite QB recruiter and developer and Kelly probably didn’t want to risk him leaving for a smaller school OC job with Underwood committed. We also have an impressive all-around offensive class. Sloan has proven to be one thing Denbrock never was- a plus recruiter at OC. But he’s obviously got to step up in play calling and scheming to be able to justify his promotion.
Kelly has made it clear that he’s all-in on high school recruiting and longer-term player development over the portal. His actions say the same. All of our NIL, and that’s actually a lot with this class, has been put behind this. I’m 100% convinced keeping Sloan and Hankins was to keep their offensive recruiting momentum on track. We’ll see how it works out the rest of this season. If Sloan figures it out, it could be the best move in the long-term. If he doesn’t, that gets tricky.
I agreed with promoting Sloan at the time, and recruiting had a lot to do with that. And he’s done nothing but improve the 25 class since then. But I also expected better in game one, especially in the 2nd half. He adjusted well vs Wisconsin, but that didn’t happen Sunday night.
I am confident in one thing- if Sloan hadn’t been as successful helping Jayden and recruiting Underwood, he wouldn’t have been promoted, even if he were thinking of leaving in the offseason.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:38 am to 75503Tiger
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He was overthinking his handling of Nuss and never really let the guy play
There’s taming the gunslinger to prevent unnecessary risks and dumb turnovers, and there’s taking that too far. I think they just pulled the reigns too tight on Nuss. He still needs to be aggressive and stretch the field, because we will have a lot of opportunities to do that. That will help the run game more than anything.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:44 am to The Pirate King
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He keeps trying to force Perkins to be a MLB with ample proof that it doesn't allow him to be his best self. Seems like a theme that BK thinks he knows best and refuses to adapt.
frick off with this canned bullshite. Perkins has already proven he can’t be an every down DE. He gets swallowed whole over half the time when he blitzes as a DE instead of an extra blitzer from the edge. He’s just too fricking small and not strong enough for that role all game.
No one was happy with Perkins playing as a OLB/3rd Safety either, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s an MLB or Hybrid Safety as an every down player. The alternative is that he plays 10-15 snaps a game as a specialty pass rusher only. Are you saying we should turn him into Marcel Brooks now?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:47 am to Tzanghi
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Look at the tape, brother. It’s there. Safeties were high almost all game.
Those Safeties crashed the box often after the snap, especially on 1st and 2nd downs. That, or USC would blitz CBs into the line and one Safety would replace their coverage.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:49 am to UnluckyTiger
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Southern Cal’s defense especially under Lincoln Riley has been a joke and our offense made them look elite
Whatever their defense was in the past doesn’t matter now. Anyone who’s paying attention knows that Lynn is a serious DC and was a home run hire. He’s obviously made a huge impact there. Riley has been a joke in the past, but he was smart to wise up and hand Lynn the keys to that side of the ball.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:54 am to misey94
Even if what you’re saying is true, there were ample vertical routes run, and the blame would be on Nuss for not throwing into the vacancies and not on Sloan for his play calling.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:59 am to burke985
lets let this season play out....at least....
Since taking over Sloan has called games that resulted in 35 and 20 points. 55 Points in two games combined
averaging 27.5 points against P5 opponents.
Thats not too shabby. Dont be so quick to judge on such a small body of work.
Kelly couldnt help that his boy Dembrock took the bag and wanted to move closer to family in Indiana.
Since taking over Sloan has called games that resulted in 35 and 20 points. 55 Points in two games combined
averaging 27.5 points against P5 opponents.
Thats not too shabby. Dont be so quick to judge on such a small body of work.
Kelly couldnt help that his boy Dembrock took the bag and wanted to move closer to family in Indiana.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:05 am to TDsngumbo
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304 yards with 2 touchdowns is not terrible.
20 points, on that defense, is not good. I do not care how many yards he threw for.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:11 am to Tzanghi
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Even if what you’re saying is true, there were ample vertical routes run, and the blame would be on Nuss for not throwing into the vacancies and not on Sloan for his play calling.
I think there’s blame to go around. Honestly though, if Nuss was sticking to the game plan that focused on taking what they give you, and it certainly looked like that was the plan, then he did exactly what he was asked. Also, if the coaches pushed being conservative with putting the ball in harm’s way (and the last pass is really irrelevant there), then he did that too.
A couple of experts have given a lot of praise to Lynn for disguising what they were doing. They gave a lot of similar base looks and alignments and then did different things out of it after the snap, especially to make the run game harder.
If I fault Nuss for one thing- he did get a little impatient in the second half waiting for guys to break open. The one time he stepped up through the pocket and waited a beat, he hit Anderson for a big gainer. But considering the lack of sacks and hits on him, he got a little antsy at times and maybe missed opportunities downfield by not letting the play develop further. And this can maybe also be attributed to Lynn confusing him some. He’s an elite DC.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:30 am to burke985
Yeah let’s get us another cheerleader head coach. That worked out well for us after the coordinators (the ones who were really running the show) he was forced to keep left.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:40 am to JW6
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Maybe nuss didn’t push it down the field and checked down all night. Just a thought. We had deep routes all night
You mean, the guy that never checked down ever before and has been criticized heavily for that FINALLY checked down ALL night in the biggest game of his life?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:10 am to misey94
Lynn was a lot better than I expected. Agreed there. I was thoroughly impressed with Nuss though. I also think the points you make are fixable in the future. Doesn’t get us back that loss, but we’re going to be ok, I think.
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