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re: Bot 6th ESPN strike zone graphics

Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:53 pm to
Here’s an lsu one, you’re telling me every ball by WF here was a strike too?

Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:53 pm to
Thanks to this, SVP was able to do several segments about Wake Forrest.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11903 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:55 pm to
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Here’s an lsu one, you’re telling me every ball by WF here was a strike too?

Again, no. And I’d appreciate it if you would calm down and stop putting words into my mouth. Thanks.
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
Member since Dec 2012
44599 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:56 pm to
I guess there wasn’t an actual ball thrown all game, amazing

Posted by Jugular Joe
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:56 pm to
Nm
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 9:57 pm
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:56 pm to
Makes me sick
Posted by Logician
Grinning Colonizer
Member since Jul 2013
4889 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:57 pm to
Have to put it into context with what the zone WAS before that half inning, how the ump squeezed the shite out of Hurd as well, then after the damage was done, immediately went back to calling a wide zone. Absolutely criminal the way the pitchers were squeezed to get the game close, then just completely forgetting about his tight zone the rest of the game.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11903 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:57 pm to
Holy frick y’all are retarded. I posted without commentary but I guess I should have outlined exactly what I thought about each pitch since y’all somehow think I meant Ty Floyd didn’t throw any balls.
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:57 pm to
I doubt that ump does any more games thw rest of the series. It was really bad for both teams
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
22543 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:58 pm to
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Do people know what they’re looking at? According to that only Hawke balls were wrong, the middle square is the strike zone, not the entire box
i mean even if you’re wrong how can you be?

Everything that wasn’t a meatball over the plate was called a ball but that chart shows 18/18 pitches on those 3 walks were strikes.

It can’t be possible for that to be correct and that ump not be reprimanded.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
10608 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:58 pm to
Well check his bookie bc that looks like insider trading. If that is the true placement and the corresponding calls he is worse than I thought.
Posted by TheWalrus
Land of the Hogs
Member since Dec 2012
44599 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:59 pm to
Let’s take a look at the strike swinging by Jobert on a 2-0 count that everyone can remember wasn’t even close. Oh guess it was comfortably a strike based on this. Ok I’m done, but I am objectively right.

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11903 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:59 pm to
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I’m more inclined to say the people saying the center is the zone are correct because there’s no way that pitch Jobert swung at was a strike.

The whole box is the zone, not just the center. Pitches that are on top of the outer box are likely to be called balls.

I’m also not saying their plot is 100% accurate. But I know damn well that Floyd should have struck Hawke out at least twice, and the graphic certainly supports that.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 10:01 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11903 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:01 pm to
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TheWalrus

Reading is hard.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15524 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:04 pm to
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The whole box is the zone, not just the center. Pitches that are overlapping the outer box are likely to be called balls.


If the whole box is the zone then there wasn’t a single ball thrown the entire game. Go review the ESPN play by play if you don’t believe me. The center of the box is definitely the zone.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 10:05 pm
Posted by LafTiger
Member since Dec 2008
1440 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:05 pm to
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But I know damn well that Floyd should have struck Hawke out at least twice, and the graphic certainly supports that.


This is the BIG takeaway.

The Ump FORCED an 8 pitch at bat when it should have gone 5? At most. More than likely should have gone 3.

After this anything close was called a ball for LSU and a strike for wake.

In a 1 run game that gambit was a critical factor.

We might have still lost. But now you have 3 entities on the field that are playing. I don’t want to see the umps on lay for a team.

Couple this with the BS retribution on Tommy and it sure looks like the UMP had an agenda.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11903 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:06 pm to
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If the whole box is the zone then there wasn’t a single ball thrown the entire game.

I’m not sure where y’all are getting this. Is it the size of the circle? Because some of these are clearly outside the outer box. And some are very close to the line which is - again - expected to be a judgement call.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
16057 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:11 pm to
I think for this, we can say that whether the entire thing or only the inside box is the strike zone. Anything mostly inside that middle box should be a strike.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15524 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:12 pm to
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I’m not sure where y’all are getting this. Is it the size of the circle? Because some of these are clearly outside the outer box. And some are very close to the line which is - again - expected to be a judgement call.


I just went through every single pitch on that ESPN app and there is exactly three pitches the entire game that the ball is not touching any part of the grid. Two from the WF pitcher and the Hurd HBP. If the entire grid is the zone we just witnessed the most efficient pitching contest ever.



Here is that particular pitch followed by a few others. Pretty obvious to me what’s the zone and what’s not.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 10:14 pm
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:13 pm to
This is where the sausage is made. It was not pretty. The animal suffered.
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