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Blame F. King and Alleva not O
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:32 pm
Ill keep this simple as I know it's best for all parties. Whether you are Pro O or No O, please keep an open mind.
!) It's clear the administration had no clear plan once firing Miles - Big mistake, but almost all of us can agree that a change was necessary. F. King and money men pushed a successful PR campaign to save money on firing Miles last year.
2) I think we can all agree Orgeron was the best interim choice to finish out the season with his experience, but more importantly to keep our current elite recruiting board in tact.
3) There was no great plan in place. We went after our top 2 guys, and negotiations aside, I don't believe we could have convinced Jimbo or Herman to be here.
4) With no real other options lined up Orgeron was the only real solution. An angle no one has discussed - While Tigerdroppings may be in a virtual concensus that Orgeron is a poor consolation prize hire, many in state DO NOT.
5) Had we skipped over Orgeron, and hired a second tier (uninspired stretch) hire, we would have alienated local recruits and high school coaches, who (after Jimbo and Herman) would have argued in favor of giving O a shot.
6) Save money on Orgeron and have safety measures in place, so that if he fails, we can survive and strike first when better options become available with a full cupboard at our disposal (money and recruits). Recruits, former players, and instate coaches bridges arent burned because though we missed in our slam dunk targets, we still gave O a fair shake.
7) If O fails, we will have the money to secure a new option with a stacked deck, and with the backbone of our recruiting base not alienated.
F. King screwed Alleva last year, Alleva screwed the search this year, and the chips didnt fall our way with our only other 2 viable options.
While this isnt what anyone had expected or originally hoped for, it is the most logical stop gap. When F. King and Alleva screwed us, this is the best way to ensure we are within striking distance in the immediate future.
We should hold F. King responsible for last year, and Alleva responsible for this years search. Let's do what we can to make changes in leadership at the top, or it wont matter who we hire, we will fail.
In the meantime, lets support LSU and Coach O. If he fails, at least we can claim we gave our local hero a shot and are loyal to our own while still being within striking distance of our ultimate goals armed with extra spending money and a stacked roster.
!) It's clear the administration had no clear plan once firing Miles - Big mistake, but almost all of us can agree that a change was necessary. F. King and money men pushed a successful PR campaign to save money on firing Miles last year.
2) I think we can all agree Orgeron was the best interim choice to finish out the season with his experience, but more importantly to keep our current elite recruiting board in tact.
3) There was no great plan in place. We went after our top 2 guys, and negotiations aside, I don't believe we could have convinced Jimbo or Herman to be here.
4) With no real other options lined up Orgeron was the only real solution. An angle no one has discussed - While Tigerdroppings may be in a virtual concensus that Orgeron is a poor consolation prize hire, many in state DO NOT.
5) Had we skipped over Orgeron, and hired a second tier (uninspired stretch) hire, we would have alienated local recruits and high school coaches, who (after Jimbo and Herman) would have argued in favor of giving O a shot.
6) Save money on Orgeron and have safety measures in place, so that if he fails, we can survive and strike first when better options become available with a full cupboard at our disposal (money and recruits). Recruits, former players, and instate coaches bridges arent burned because though we missed in our slam dunk targets, we still gave O a fair shake.
7) If O fails, we will have the money to secure a new option with a stacked deck, and with the backbone of our recruiting base not alienated.
F. King screwed Alleva last year, Alleva screwed the search this year, and the chips didnt fall our way with our only other 2 viable options.
While this isnt what anyone had expected or originally hoped for, it is the most logical stop gap. When F. King and Alleva screwed us, this is the best way to ensure we are within striking distance in the immediate future.
We should hold F. King responsible for last year, and Alleva responsible for this years search. Let's do what we can to make changes in leadership at the top, or it wont matter who we hire, we will fail.
In the meantime, lets support LSU and Coach O. If he fails, at least we can claim we gave our local hero a shot and are loyal to our own while still being within striking distance of our ultimate goals armed with extra spending money and a stacked roster.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 11:54 pm
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:56 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
So your answer to all of this is "it's ok, we will be primed and ready for a homerun IF coach O fails"? Isn't that the exact scenario tiger fans just witnessed last season?!
We literally fired our coach in September due to failure and we were more than in a "prime position" to find his replacement. We had a 2 month jump start on the entire country to build relationships and weed out any unserious parties, which is almost verbatim what your describing will supposedly happen if O fails. What you fail to realize is that it literally didn't happen, just now. And it played out infornt of your eyes. You can't make this up!
I'm neither for or against O, he is who the powers at be choose and we will have to live through the good and/or bad until his contract is up. Hopefully it will be the latter. But to try and rally the troops behind "we will be in perfect position if O fails" is just plain ignorant.
Not to be rude but wake up and look at the entire picture. We had a perfect set up, almost what you really want in that situation other than having a "next man up" (which rarely if never happens), and we did nothing with it. What makes you so confident the LSU administration won't botch this one up too?
We literally fired our coach in September due to failure and we were more than in a "prime position" to find his replacement. We had a 2 month jump start on the entire country to build relationships and weed out any unserious parties, which is almost verbatim what your describing will supposedly happen if O fails. What you fail to realize is that it literally didn't happen, just now. And it played out infornt of your eyes. You can't make this up!
I'm neither for or against O, he is who the powers at be choose and we will have to live through the good and/or bad until his contract is up. Hopefully it will be the latter. But to try and rally the troops behind "we will be in perfect position if O fails" is just plain ignorant.
Not to be rude but wake up and look at the entire picture. We had a perfect set up, almost what you really want in that situation other than having a "next man up" (which rarely if never happens), and we did nothing with it. What makes you so confident the LSU administration won't botch this one up too?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:04 am to sosimpo1
quote:
Not to be rude but wake up and look at the entire picture. We had a perfect set up, almost what you really want in that situation other than having a "next man up" (which rarely if never happens), and we did nothing with it. What makes you so confident the LSU administration won't botch this one up too?
Did you read the last few paragraphs, or did your adderall fail you?
I am not condoning the hire, I am simply stating that we need to remove the leadership that put us in the position and in the meantime hopefully the program maintains, and stays stocked and loaded.
The failure in leadership by F. King and Alleva to even put us in the position is unacceptable, but our anger would be better placed at dethroning the current leadership instead of lamenting O
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:07 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
So, blame Alleva, but support O?
Ok.
How about frick ALLEVA, FIRED! Support Coach O.
ALLEVA is a hack and to blame.
Ok.
How about frick ALLEVA, FIRED! Support Coach O.
ALLEVA is a hack and to blame.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:10 am to drizztiger
quote:
drizztiger
Now you're speaking my language. The common man gets blamed too often for this. We all wanted better than Coach O, but at this point any anger towards him is misdirected. Replacing O wont be an option for some time, and when it finally is, we need to make sure it doesnt get botched up like it did this time. So while the iron is hot, lets strike the head off the real culprit of this mess, our leadership
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:18 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
I don't think anyone is blaming O for getting hired. He didn't hire himself
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:26 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
quote:
Ill keep this simple as I know it's best for all parties. Whether you are Pro O or No O, please keep an open mind. !) It's clear the administration had no clear plan once firing Miles - Big mistake, but almost all of us can agree that a change was necessary. F. King and money men pushed a successful PR campaign to save money on firing Miles last year. 2) I think we can all agree Orgeron was the best interim choice to finish out the season with his experience, but more importantly to keep our current elite recruiting board in tact. 3) There was no great plan in place. We went after our top 2 guys, and negotiations aside, I don't believe we could have convinced Jimbo or Herman to be here. 4) With no real other options lined up Orgeron was the only real solution. An angle no one has discussed - While Tigerdroppings may be in a virtual concensus that Orgeron is a poor consolation prize hire, many in state DO NOT. 5) Had we skipped over Orgeron, and hired a second tier (uninspired stretch) hire, we would have alienated local recruits and high school coaches, who (after Jimbo and Herman) would have argued in favor of giving O a shot. 6) Save money on Orgeron and have safety measures in place, so that if he fails, we can survive and strike first when better options become available with a full cupboard at our disposal (money and recruits). Recruits, former players, and instate coaches bridges arent burned because though we missed in our slam dunk targets, we still gave O a fair shake. 7) If O fails, we will have the money to secure a new option with a stacked deck, and with the backbone of our recruiting base not alienated. F. King screwed Alleva last year, Alleva screwed the search this year, and the chips didnt fall our way with our only other 2 viable options. While this isnt what anyone had expected or originally hoped for, it is the most logical stop gap. When F. King and Alleva screwed us, this is the best way to ensure we are within striking distance in the immediate future. We should hold F. King responsible for last year, and Alleva responsible for this years search. Let's do what we can to make changes in leadership at the top, or it wont matter who we hire, we will fail. In the meantime, lets support LSU and Coach O. If he fails, at least we can claim we gave our local hero a shot and are loyal to our own while still being within striking distance of our ultimate goals armed with extra spending money and a stacked roster.
Ive been trying to say this all along....I just didn't feel like writing a novelette....
Thanks for doing it for me....
I agree with you 95%.....by the way, If O can snag Kiffin as our new OC....LSU will be unstoppable...and Alabama's dominance will be contested....shite O was able to make Bama nervous this year....
only 95% because I think the Coach O hire will pan out...I think it's a great hire...just have to get a few more pieces to fall into place..
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 12:56 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:30 am to Robbytiger
Yeah, I was reluctant to type it up as well. It takes effort, then it takes people willing to read it and with an open mind, which after this many tough days, are understandably far and few between. Glad someone else can relate with what Im speaking about. Im also hopeful for the future. Whether people support the hire or not will not change it, but if we create enough friction, we can change leadership for future affairs.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:50 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Well said. After launching a failed campaign against his hiring, I came to the same conclusion late yesterday. I have to admit my melt was epic!
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 4:53 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:07 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Very well said!
Yes, Alleva got lazy on this search and didn't do any other research than Fisher/Herman. But frick man, it is what it is. We can cry, stomp out feet, fall to the ground, and swear off LSU football forever. Not gonna do one thing to change it.
The bottom line is simple: the rest of the SEC (more than just LSU) is not going to have a legit shot at all the marbles until Saban retires. There is no miracle coach that's gonna bring LSU back to where we were 2001-2007 (by that I mean relevant in the post season discussion). I think Orgeron will get us closer to that than Miles had us, but I never for one second looked at Herman or Fisher as the miracle worker to solve the riddle against Saban.
In the 90's, it was Spurrier. Even Saban couldn't beat Spurrier when he was at LSU. Dinardo managed to do it one time.
As a fan of LSU and SEC football in general, I'm ready to see it go back to being more than just a one horse race.
Yes, Alleva got lazy on this search and didn't do any other research than Fisher/Herman. But frick man, it is what it is. We can cry, stomp out feet, fall to the ground, and swear off LSU football forever. Not gonna do one thing to change it.
The bottom line is simple: the rest of the SEC (more than just LSU) is not going to have a legit shot at all the marbles until Saban retires. There is no miracle coach that's gonna bring LSU back to where we were 2001-2007 (by that I mean relevant in the post season discussion). I think Orgeron will get us closer to that than Miles had us, but I never for one second looked at Herman or Fisher as the miracle worker to solve the riddle against Saban.
In the 90's, it was Spurrier. Even Saban couldn't beat Spurrier when he was at LSU. Dinardo managed to do it one time.
As a fan of LSU and SEC football in general, I'm ready to see it go back to being more than just a one horse race.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:20 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
in mny opinion we should thank King and Allieva for staying composed and landing the best possible coach, under the circumstances, that we could get.
They didn't lead with their chin, but rather stayed composed, stayed in the pocket, weathered the storm, stayed patient, and landed the knockout blow.
one heartbeat
They didn't lead with their chin, but rather stayed composed, stayed in the pocket, weathered the storm, stayed patient, and landed the knockout blow.
one heartbeat
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:28 am to sosimpo1
Most on here with a pulse angry at the hire don't blame Orgeron. If Alleva called me yesterday with the offer I would have accepted
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:35 am to boxcar willie
quote:
we should thank King and Alleva
Says the same guy that who knighted for Miles when it was obvious he needed to go and once compared JJ to Brett Favre. I attributed some of that to you being his relative, but based on this statement, you are just plain dumb.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:47 am to Icansee4miles
It all starts at the top, and we should all hold FKA responsible. Our AD is not the man for the job!
Again, as posted earlier, just look at how LSU fares among SEC schools for academic priorities, fund raising for academics, salaries for faculty, and research priorities. That would demonstrate the schools real priorities, and for that matter, reflects the priorities of the board of supervisors who have FKA as a direct report and should NEVER be involved in coach selections other than approving salaries. Until that changes, we'll continue to have a problem.
Oh, for the record, I do think Coach O should be given a shot ...I want him to do well! He has done nothing but show loyalty to the school. That is rarely rewarded by our current administration
Again, as posted earlier, just look at how LSU fares among SEC schools for academic priorities, fund raising for academics, salaries for faculty, and research priorities. That would demonstrate the schools real priorities, and for that matter, reflects the priorities of the board of supervisors who have FKA as a direct report and should NEVER be involved in coach selections other than approving salaries. Until that changes, we'll continue to have a problem.
Oh, for the record, I do think Coach O should be given a shot ...I want him to do well! He has done nothing but show loyalty to the school. That is rarely rewarded by our current administration
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:43 am to Awlunz Tiger
What I can see happening, is that when and if Coach O fails (eventually) and people call for his head, they will do so without changing the leadership that has been making habitual mistakes. We wont be able to move forward and hire an eventual 34th coach someday (who is a home run or successful hire) after O with our current leadership.
We need to have the information available, so when the public turns and when/if we lose big, people go after leadership first and not O.
If we dont replace the decision makers, then we are doomed to a carousel of bad choices for lsu
We need to have the information available, so when the public turns and when/if we lose big, people go after leadership first and not O.
If we dont replace the decision makers, then we are doomed to a carousel of bad choices for lsu
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:57 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
The whole way the scenario played out makes me wonder if the choice was Da Coach O the whole time, unless he absolutely cratered.
I wonder how serious our efforts with Fisher and Herman really were...
Politically, Da Coach O was cheap and from La. , so
F. King could go to the legislature without quaking in his boots, which apparently is the acid test for invertebrates like him.
I wonder how serious our efforts with Fisher and Herman really were...
Politically, Da Coach O was cheap and from La. , so
F. King could go to the legislature without quaking in his boots, which apparently is the acid test for invertebrates like him.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:58 am to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Idiots. They blew their chance last year and compounded the mistake this year. Alexander and Alleva need to go.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:00 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
blame them for what?
the story on this coaching hire has not been written yet.
coaching searches are not like hiring other people and EVERY school in America has had similar experiences. I think coach O will be an upgrade over Miles.
the story on this coaching hire has not been written yet.
coaching searches are not like hiring other people and EVERY school in America has had similar experiences. I think coach O will be an upgrade over Miles.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:02 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
quote:
Had we skipped over Orgeron, and hired a second tier (uninspired stretch) hire, we would have alienated local recruits and high school coaches, who (after Jimbo and Herman) would have argued in favor of giving O a shot.
That's just not true
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:02 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
quote:
) Had we skipped over Orgeron, and hired a second tier (uninspired stretch) hire, we would have alienated local recruits and high school coaches, who (after Jimbo and Herman) would have argued in favor of giving O a shot
Ed orgeron is a 209th tier hire. Nice fricking try.
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