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re: Bill Walsh on the Les Miles philosophy of football
Posted on 1/7/16 at 10:09 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 1/7/16 at 10:09 am to Draconian Sanctions
The middle of the field is usually open when LSU is on offense. We have to include the TEs in the passing game. That will force teams to respect the pass even if we are in a 2-TE set. Also, our QB doesn't have to be elite, just make accurate passes. Matt Flynn and Matt Mauk aren't all-pro 1st TD picks, and neither was AJ McCarron.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 10:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
Now go google Bill Parcell's philosophy. Parcells beat Walsh back to back in the playoffs.
Miles has the right philosophy, but only if the state of Louisiana can produce a good QB. Its been an unreal drought.
OOS QB's are reluctant to leave the home state unless they are the focal point of the offense.
But Miles will figure it out, if left alone. Cam Cameron was supposed to be able to attract one and maybe he finally will with Haskins.
Generating offense and defense is and always will be about execution not scheme.
Miles has the right philosophy, but only if the state of Louisiana can produce a good QB. Its been an unreal drought.
OOS QB's are reluctant to leave the home state unless they are the focal point of the offense.
But Miles will figure it out, if left alone. Cam Cameron was supposed to be able to attract one and maybe he finally will with Haskins.
Generating offense and defense is and always will be about execution not scheme.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:00 am to boxcar willie
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we need to be less predictable on offense
Like Bama was when they ran the ball 70% of the time with 1 RB getting 70% of the carries?
When your OL is getting stuffed and your QB is completing like 32%, what unpredictable O should we run? Wishbone?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:07 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Wishbone
Great offemse in the 70s. I bet Les gets a chubby thinking about passing only 4-5 times a game
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:16 am to DmitriKaramazov
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Both Arkansas and Ole Miss are inferior to LSU in terms of talent.
You choose to remain ignorant and/or blind, but if you truly believe OM did not have better talent at multiple meaningful positions than LSU it's because you can't be objective. Start with the QB, WR DT, LT on down the line. Accept the truth, then you will be less frustrated. OM has 5 5* players from that 2013 class, 3 of them have a shot of being drafted in the top 15 of the draft depending on one's drug charges, get over it.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:34 am to tirebiter
Having 5 great players on a roster of 40 means nothing. Sure, they had 5 great players, but they still had to fill the other 35 spots with garbage players nobody else wanted. OM is a one trick pony at best. They will never win a NC with how they recruit.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:37 am to Paluka
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He adapted.
Being able to adapt is what separates a very good team from a championship team. If the general philosophy of a football team is to first establish the run & have a solid defense, if you have the tools to do this it will be successful, but the formula to stop stopping a team built like this is simple. Do not allow them to establish the run game. That's what Syracuse attempted to do, but simply didn't have the tools to do it. Alabama is a team that has the tools to do it. This is when having a balanced offense is important. If we could just establish a more balanced offense then we are a championship team.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:53 am to tirebiter
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You choose to remain ignorant and/or blind, but if you truly believe OM did not have better talent at multiple meaningful positions than LSU it's because you can't be objective. Start with the QB, WR DT, LT on down the line. Accept the truth, then you will be less frustrated. OM has 5 5* players from that 2013 class, 3 of them have a shot of being drafted in the top 15 of the draft depending on one's drug charges, get over it.
The whole form of this "argument" (and I'm being generous according your screed that moniker) is specious. I'm well aware of Ole Miss' recruiting history. But of course the mere fact that Ole Miss may be superior to LSU at a limited SUBSET of positions doesn't mean that Ole Miss is more talented OVERALL. In the aggregate, taking into account ALL positions and ALL of the depth chart, LSU is more talented than Ole Miss. Even a cursory review of historical team recruiting rankings confirms this. Hence, in the aggregate, Ole Miss is inferior to LSU in terms of talent. As I said.
Try to actually employ some semblance or reason and consider ALL of the evidence before you bandy about terms like "ignorant" and "objective."
Posted on 1/7/16 at 11:53 am to AshLSU
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Having 5 great players on a roster of 40 means nothing. Sure, they had 5 great players, but they still had to fill the other 35 spots with garbage players nobody else wanted. OM is a one trick pony at best. They will never win a NC with how they recruit.
No the rosters are 40 instead of 85? Use your mind, just because someone points to 5 doesn't lead one to believe that the rest of the talent is bad, why would you even think that? Some of you guys are so myopic on talent with the belief that LSU has better talent than everyone it's like you're brain washed. I would rather be starting highly talented experienced juniors than talented freshmen. Other than LF where is this overwhelming talent advantage LSU put on the field this season vs other good to great SEC opponents? And then, in areas of real ability, people on here keep poor mouthing T White as if he is not legit talent-wise for the NFL when he played half the season on a bad wheel and even stated he didn't have his top gear after coming back from injury in the games he played.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:00 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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I think Arkansas qualifies as an inferior team. Ole Miss may as well.
Lolz..... Based on what? Our recent head-to-head match-ups?
ETA: Ask BAMA which team they feel is "BETTER" Ole miss or LSU.........
I'll await your reply.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:04 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I think Arkansas qualifies as an inferior team. Ole Miss may as well.
Lolz..... Based on what? Our recent head-to-head match-ups?
Physical talent? Overall record heading into the matchup?
Anyone who genuinely believes that lowly Arkansas isn't inferior to LSU in terms of overall talent has almost no credibility.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:18 pm to tigerfoot
You are likely arguing semantics here and at least in part agreeing with people who are saying we need to be more creative. What I think most people mean when they are saying that we need to be more creative is that they want the offense to be less predictable. This is driven by the fact that we have so many looks that what we are doing can be determined by how we line up. In this regard, we've been too creative.
FWIW I think the critical flaw in our offense is that we have no short to intermediate pass game. Our passing game is primarily 25+ yards down the field and this does not slow down a strong rush. Against a good d-line we need to get the ball out quicker and a long pass play just doesn't develop that quickly. Unfortunately, this is the area that Brandon Harris has struggled the most on. If we could consistently hit some crossing routes, running back screens, use the tight end - we would be running a lot of plays where we could get the ball out within 3 seconds of snapping the ball. Anything longer than that, as a d coordinator I'm basically sending a run defense that tries to get to the QB after he doesn't hand it off. This only gets worse when the blocking by the offensive line looks like they are setting up a screen when they aren't. Alternatively, send BH on a bootleg. He could have a few downfield options, the shovel pass to Fournette or he could run as well...
FWIW I think the critical flaw in our offense is that we have no short to intermediate pass game. Our passing game is primarily 25+ yards down the field and this does not slow down a strong rush. Against a good d-line we need to get the ball out quicker and a long pass play just doesn't develop that quickly. Unfortunately, this is the area that Brandon Harris has struggled the most on. If we could consistently hit some crossing routes, running back screens, use the tight end - we would be running a lot of plays where we could get the ball out within 3 seconds of snapping the ball. Anything longer than that, as a d coordinator I'm basically sending a run defense that tries to get to the QB after he doesn't hand it off. This only gets worse when the blocking by the offensive line looks like they are setting up a screen when they aren't. Alternatively, send BH on a bootleg. He could have a few downfield options, the shovel pass to Fournette or he could run as well...
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:25 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Anyone who genuinely believes that lowly Arkansas isn't inferior to LSU in terms of overall talent has almost no credibility
Overall talent that is not on the field helps you how? All it takes is a couple of special players to make or break another team. 1 Really elite D lineman can wreck an Offense. One elite WR and a good QB can wreck a secondary. It means squat if you have 9 that are better. It only takes two to hook up in the endzone. Not only that, Arkansas O line was the biggest in college football. They imposed their will on LSU's depleted and thin D line.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:36 pm to convertedtiger
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Arkansas O line was the biggest in college football. They imposed their will on LSU's depleted and thin D line.
Yet Arkansas managed to lose 5 games. I think you know what will happen if LSU loses 5 games.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 1/7/16 at 1:14 pm to OweO
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If we could just establish a more balanced offense then we are a championship team.
That's fine. Our rushing game was #1 in the SEC and our passing game was #11 with a passing eff. of #7 and a completion rate of like 53%. We should have passed more and run less to be more balanced?
I would suggest we need to execute the O we have better before we talk bout balance or predictability, but each to our own.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 1:58 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Like Bama was when they ran the ball 70% of the time with 1 RB getting 70% of the carries?
they have the talent to do that. We don't.
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When your OL is getting stuffed and your QB is completing like 32%, what unpredictable O should we run? Wishbone?
nothing we were going to do on offense was going to work against them I don't care how well we execute. To much of a talent gap. But the other games, Ole Miss and Arkansas, we match up pretty well talent wise. Still doesn't mean we can just line up and straight up run over them.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 2:14 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Anyone who genuinely believes that lowly Arkansas isn't inferior to LSU in terms of overall talent has almost no credibility.
LOL, Arkansas has physically dominated LSU two years running. Physical strength is sort of important in Football. I believe what I see with my eyes.
You believe we have more talent based on the recruitiing service rankings of high schoolers conducted mostly after their Junior year of high school.
Credibility hunh?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 2:23 pm to WalkingTurtles
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The middle of the field is usually open when LSU is on offense. We have to include the TEs in the passing game
that's a good example of the kind of things we need to be doing on offense to be more creative and less predictable. When people say we need to be more creative, more balanced, less predictable, etc. I don't think they are meaning we need to be an HUNH spread air raid offense or wish-o-bone that other posters say that they mean. I think they mean we should just run a normal offense like other teams do and like we did against Texas Tech and South Carolina and other games that we executed well in and that we tried to run and develop for large amounts of this season. OUr offense has already started down the right path just as long as it continues to be developed along those lines.
I formation pound the ball into the stacked box offense could still be a integral part of our arsenal just not the primary weapon. It can still be used situationally perhaps (for those that are so attached to it).
Posted on 1/7/16 at 2:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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"Teams that depend on their running game typically get upset a few times a year by an inferior opponent who might hit a few big plays, and then they aren't equipped to overcome that unexpected deficit. That was why it was so important for me to develop our passing game."
Cam runs the Air Coryell system; it is the original west coast offense and quite similar to Bill Walsh's west coast offense. Both require a strong running game. The difference is Coryell's system (like Cam's) focuses on vertical passing. Walsh's system focuses on horizontal passing. Walsh created his offense to suit a team with much less talent than its opponents. Per Walsh, "the Coryell offense required more talented players, a passer who could get the ball there, and men who can really run—a lot of them." If Harris can step up his accuracy LSU will have all those things. Cam's offense (Air Coryell) can work here.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 2:51 pm to moneyg
Moneyg thank you for your. Good sense !
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