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re: Biden FBI tracked Melania and Barron Trump's travel - even tapped Susie Wiles phone

Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:17 am to
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:17 am to
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they're just engaging in partisan brain rot and acting irrationally.


Oh my God you are so full of yourself

I don't even know what the word is for beyond laughable.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
172670 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:17 am to
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In the June 2023 federal indictment (superseded in July 2023) in the Southern District of Florida, Trump faced 40 felony counts (plus related charges against aides Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira). The primary statutes were:

18 U.S.C. § 793(e) (Espionage Act provisions) — Willful retention of national defense information. This covered the bulk of the counts (32 separate counts, one for each specific document prosecutors identified as containing national defense information that was willfully retained and not delivered to the proper authorities). Penalties of up to 10 years per count were possible.

nytimes.com

Obstruction-related charges, including:

Conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Withholding or concealing documents/records.

False statements / schemes to conceal (e.g., under provisions related to 18 U.S.C. §§ 1519, 1001, and related conspiracy statutes).

These alleged efforts to impede the National Archives, grand jury, and investigators’ recovery of the materials. The most serious obstruction/conspiracy counts carried potential penalties of up to 20 years.

en.wikipedia.org

Trump pleaded not guilty to all counts. The case was dismissed in 2024 (Judge Aileen Cannon’s ruling, later followed by the special counsel dropping remaining efforts after the 2024 election). No convictions resulted.


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Declassified records released in 2025–2026 (via FOIA, Judicial Watch, and the White House Government Transparency Task Force) document several points raised by critics:Internal FBI doubts about probable cause: Washington Field Office (WFO) counterintelligence personnel repeatedly stated in emails (including around July 2022) that they did not believe probable cause existed for a search warrant covering the residence, office, or bedroom.

They proposed less invasive alternatives such as contacting Trump’s counsel or seeking cooperation to recover any remaining materials. DOJ’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section disagreed and pushed for a broad warrant. One DOJ-related comment referenced in emails was characterized as not caring about “optics.”

judicialwatch.org

High-level approvals: Then-FBI Director Christopher Wray sought approval to open the Sensitive Investigative Matter. Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco recommended approval, and Attorney General Merrick Garland signed off (memos from March 2022 and related). Garland later stated he personally approved seeking the search warrant.

justthenews.com

Expansive investigative tactics: Agents tracked travel movements of Melania Trump and Barron Trump in planning the timing of the search. Later (2023, during the campaign period), a pen register/trap-and-trace device on Susie Wiles’s phone (then a top Trump adviser) captured metadata on calls with dozens of defense attorneys, campaign staff, journalists, and others. Critics describe this as a “tickle the wire” operation that swept in First Amendment-protected activity (legal defense, political association, press contacts).

ibtimes.co.uk

Critics (including current administration officials, some former agents, and congressional overseers) characterize these as evidence of political weaponization—prioritizing a high-profile target, overriding field concerns, and using broad surveillance amid an election cycle. They place Plasmic Echo in a sequence of probes (Crossfire Hurricane, Arctic Frost, etc.) allegedly targeting Trump and associates.

justthenews.com


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Potential charges against those involved in the raid/investigation

No criminal charges have been filed against FBI or DOJ personnel specifically for opening Plasmic Echo or executing the Mar-a-Lago search. Legal theories discussed in public commentary, congressional oversight, and the current Florida probe include:18 U.S.C. §§ 241 and 242 (Conspiracy against rights; Deprivation of rights under color of law):

These civil-rights statutes criminalize conspiracies or actions by officials that intentionally deprive someone of constitutional rights (e.g., Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, First Amendment association/speech rights).

Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon has publicly noted that conspiracy-against-rights tools are available if intentional violations of civil liberties in politically motivated investigations are proven. Proving specific intent to violate rights (beyond aggressive but good-faith investigation) is a high bar.

justthenews.com

Other potential theories raised in discussion: False statements in affidavits or reports, obstruction of justice (if evidence was mishandled or withheld), or related misconduct. These would require clear evidence of knowing falsehoods or bad faith, not mere disagreement over probable cause or aggressive tactics.

Practical realities: Prosecutors enjoy broad discretion and qualified immunity protections in many contexts. High-level officials often face additional hurdles. Field agents who documented concerns may have stronger defenses. Any charges would need to overcome arguments that the warrant was judicially authorized, documents were found, and national-security interests were at stake.

The current DOJ is examining these matters, but outcomes remain pending and unproven in court.In short, declassified records show internal friction, expansive methods, and high-level direction that fuel strong claims of political overreach.

Whether those amount to criminal “dirty politics” or a flawed but lawful national-security investigation is actively contested and under review; no one has been charged for the raid itself to date. Facts continue to emerge through transparency efforts and ongoing probes.

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BOTTOM LINE: The FBI did not see or grant probable cause to search Trumps home.

Lisa Monoco, Garland, overruled this in political warfare LAWFARE entrapment.. They played serious games with serious charges (nuke codes at MAL in the news)

Within DOJ it seems Obama/Bidens cabinet, administration have immunity hiding in the DOJ NSC under the guise of nat sec.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484692 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:18 am to
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BOTTOM LINE: The FBI did not see or grant probable cause to search Trumps home.

What?
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
5500 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:21 am to
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That's not a "both sides" argument It's a comment about the legality of certain government behavior.


Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
172670 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:23 am to
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Declassified records released in 2025–2026 (via FOIA, Judicial Watch, and the White House Government Transparency Task Force) document several points raised by critics:Internal FBI doubts about probable cause: Washington Field Office (WFO) counterintelligence personnel repeatedly stated in emails (including around July 2022) that they did not believe probable cause existed for a search warrant covering the residence, office, or bedroom.

They proposed less invasive alternatives such as contacting Trump’s counsel or seeking cooperation to recover any remaining materials. DOJ’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section disagreed and pushed for a broad warrant. One DOJ-related comment referenced in emails was characterized as not caring about “optics.”
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 8:24 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484692 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:24 am to
Yeah. Cannon had all of that information and she still ruled the search was legal.

Is she now part of the conspiracy?

Was her ruling lawfare?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86782 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:25 am to
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I don't even know what the word is for beyond laughable.


Because you don’t have a near-genius IQ like he does
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 8:26 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484692 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:26 am to
Bad post for a typo
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
68963 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:27 am to
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A lady who was mad at getting replaced became a whistleblower


How shocking you and SFP lap up that BS


They have no idea how dumb they make themselves look. Grasping at anything to pretend "everyone does it so my opposition to Trump makes sense!" Complete morons.
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 8:28 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
172670 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:28 am to
They got a local (crooked) magistrate to sign off on the warrant.

Lawfare, a judge isnt going to see in the moment, nor would she counter the magistrate.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86782 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:31 am to
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They got a local (crooked) magistrate to sign off on the warrant.

Lawfare, a judge isnt going to see in the moment, nor would she counter the magistrate.


the web just keeps spinning!
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
101092 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:33 am to
SFP is especially embarrassing himself defendinf this BS
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484692 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:40 am to
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SFP is especially embarrassing himself defendinf this BS

Defending?

I have argued it should be illegal
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
172670 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:41 am to
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Later-released internal communications (publicized in 2025 by Sen. Chuck Grassley) showed that some FBI personnel in the Washington Field Office expressed doubts about whether probable cause had been established and felt pressure from DOJ prosecutors to proceed. Those internal disagreements were not presented to Magistrate Judge Reinhart in the affidavit itself.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484692 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:41 am to
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Lawfare, a judge isnt going to see in the moment, nor would she counter the magistrate.


So she should also be criminally charged as part of the conspiracy?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
484692 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:41 am to
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Later-released internal communications (publicized in 2025 by Sen. Chuck Grassley) showed that some FBI personnel in the Washington Field Office expressed doubts about whether probable cause had been established

This was specifically argued before Cannon
Posted by FreedomBarefoot
42° parallel
Member since Aug 2016
3288 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:46 am to
I wonder if there is any correlation with this and when Iran was promoting bounties on the heads of Trump's family and claiming to have knowledge of their day-to-day activities.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5548 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:48 am to
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And as usual, nothing will happen.


Wonder how many of the anti-Flock guys are just as pissed about this?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41833 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:49 am to
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I wonder if there is any correlation with this and when Iran was promoting bounties on the heads of Trump's family and claiming to have knowledge of their day-to-day activities.


There are morally bankrupt people in the FBI that would 100% collude with Iran to get Trump if they knew they wouldn’t get caught. I think Jack Smith would do it too
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
27037 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 8:58 am to
The justification for getting practically the entire RepublicanParty's. phone records? What could the Speaker of the House's call records have to do with documents Trump might have at MAL?

Nothing. This was clearly political and we need a Special Counsel to look into this..Matt Gaetz come on down
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