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re: Beginning of The End for True College Amateurism ?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 8:58 am to tigernnola
Posted on 10/3/19 at 8:58 am to tigernnola
I’ve never understood why it should be acceptable for a person to be prevented from profiting from his or her NIL, while third parties can do so. Unless I’m mistaken, these new Legislative actions don’t provide for the institution to pay the athletes directly
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Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:00 am to 1badboy
Exactly, schools will use outside money to poach players left and right. What if USC wants one of our kids and uses say a big tech company to dump a boatload of money on him to steal him from us? There’s literally no way to combat it.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:02 am to VOR
The problem is players likeness alone are never used. They’re always wearing a jersey or uniform of the team they play for. Without the school the player isn’t recognizable so how can you exclude the school? There’s no NFL Players association here to negotiate a partnership, what they want is a free for all so that they can capitalize and exploit it.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:23 am to Madking
Players deserve to be paid. The mechanics of this are the issue. The NCAA better get on it.
The law in CA would kill CFB as we know it. Yes, athletes would benefit(at least initially), but in the long run the game would change and would decline.
Talent flows where the money is. Larger markets have much more resources than small markets. It is basic economics. You will see teams in these large markets bring in talent they never got before. Smaller markets have less to offer. And we haven't even talked about states without income taxes. The result would be a concentration of the best talent to even fewer schools. Will that help or hurt the game as a whole?
With CA law, and with current NCAA guidelines on transferring and redshirts, there will be a massive shift towards transferring to the best deal. Right now, players leave as soon as they think they aren't getting playing time they desire(I have no problem with this, it is his right). With endorsement deals and agents involved, this could keep teams in constant turn over. Agents will broker deals for them to move. And would it be far fetched for a player that has success to transfer to a market where his agent has secured endorsement deals that his local market can't produce? Much to think about.
The NCAA better get on this quick with tv and the largest player agencies to find a way to get players paid while protecting the game as a whole.
Maybe tv networks can have revenue sharing with a players union? Similar to the NFL, but not exactly the same. They probably would reject this and without a players union, the players won't have much of a voice.
There is a way to make this work so it is a win for the players, a win for the school, and a win for us fans.
I hope they work it out and soon!
The law in CA would kill CFB as we know it. Yes, athletes would benefit(at least initially), but in the long run the game would change and would decline.
Talent flows where the money is. Larger markets have much more resources than small markets. It is basic economics. You will see teams in these large markets bring in talent they never got before. Smaller markets have less to offer. And we haven't even talked about states without income taxes. The result would be a concentration of the best talent to even fewer schools. Will that help or hurt the game as a whole?
With CA law, and with current NCAA guidelines on transferring and redshirts, there will be a massive shift towards transferring to the best deal. Right now, players leave as soon as they think they aren't getting playing time they desire(I have no problem with this, it is his right). With endorsement deals and agents involved, this could keep teams in constant turn over. Agents will broker deals for them to move. And would it be far fetched for a player that has success to transfer to a market where his agent has secured endorsement deals that his local market can't produce? Much to think about.
The NCAA better get on this quick with tv and the largest player agencies to find a way to get players paid while protecting the game as a whole.
Maybe tv networks can have revenue sharing with a players union? Similar to the NFL, but not exactly the same. They probably would reject this and without a players union, the players won't have much of a voice.
There is a way to make this work so it is a win for the players, a win for the school, and a win for us fans.
I hope they work it out and soon!
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:26 am to deathvalleytiger10
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The NCAA better get on it.
I don't doubt the NCAA will make some changes to their eligibility rules in the not too distant future. But if people think they will just allow it to be the Wild West and won't have rules up on rules and exceptions to exceptions to those rules regarding capitalization on name and likeness, then they don't understand the NCAA.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:47 am to lsu2006
I think everyone understands the NCAA.
The more important questions is, "Does the NCAA understand what is happening around them?"
If they don't act to find some way to allow compensation that is a win for the athletes and its member schools they will be at the mercy of congress and whatever law they push forward. The thought of politicians deciding this issue is scary.
The more important questions is, "Does the NCAA understand what is happening around them?"
If they don't act to find some way to allow compensation that is a win for the athletes and its member schools they will be at the mercy of congress and whatever law they push forward. The thought of politicians deciding this issue is scary.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:50 am to deathvalleytiger10
You can’t just pay them and the NCAA would be signing their own death warrant if they did. Compensation within the programs control might work but paying players as individual contractors is a professional league. Once it becomes that you’re nothing but a minor league overpaying players while the brands you’ve spent over a century cultivating are stolen from you. It isn’t practical and the NCAA has too much power to allow it. If somebody wants to start up a league that allows 18 years olds to make money then go for it but nobody’s gonna watch that. The NCAA needs to recognize that without their team brands these players have nothing to bargain with.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:59 am to tigernnola
Its going to get crazy I think.
Saban wants recruit X from Florida. Alabama ford wants to pay recruit X for his likeness.
How do you stop this kind of bidding for recruits now?
Saban wants recruit X from Florida. Alabama ford wants to pay recruit X for his likeness.
How do you stop this kind of bidding for recruits now?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:04 am to goatmilker
Leave it to California and that colossal dumbf**k Gavin Newsom to ruin the greatest sport in the country. That guy shouldn’t be in charge of a bubble gum machine.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:08 am to Madking
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Compensation within the programs control might work
I would think if the program has some sort of control over it that Title IX would become an issue. Not a lawyer, so above my pay grade.
So what is your solution?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:25 am to goatmilker
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Its going to get crazy I think. Saban wants recruit X from Florida. Alabama ford wants to pay recruit X for his likeness. How do you stop this kind of bidding for recruits now?
This summarizes the "paying for likeness" proposal perfectly. How can this be regulated? The CA bill wouldn't stop shady recruiting; it would increase it ten fold.
Recruits would be approached by dozens of wealthy boosters and local businesses, willing to offer $100k for a marketing deal. Bidding wars would be out of control. College athletes will be multimillionaires, driving Porches around while sitting through General Studies classes with regular students. It would be absurd.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:37 am to tigernnola
Has anyone accepted that the NCAA "can" simply say to any college program that allows its players to earn off of their likeness, that said program is no longer NCAA eligible?
If schools start becoming ineligible for NCAA competition, who will they play? but more importantly-WHO will regulate this new association? because more than pay, you will have recruiting, grades, legal, etc. departments to set up in some new association. The NCAA wasn't built overnight into what it is.
Can these schools really afford to NOT participate in NCAA athletics while some new association is created + filled by enough other schools of similar action?
If schools start becoming ineligible for NCAA competition, who will they play? but more importantly-WHO will regulate this new association? because more than pay, you will have recruiting, grades, legal, etc. departments to set up in some new association. The NCAA wasn't built overnight into what it is.
Can these schools really afford to NOT participate in NCAA athletics while some new association is created + filled by enough other schools of similar action?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:39 am to Tigear
If we're going to pay players, then let's be sure they cover their own tuition, housing, books, meals, and apparel. It can come out of their paycheck like taxes.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:41 am to tigernnola
The last true student athlete was probably sometime in the 60's and nobody remembers his name because he wasn't good enough to pay. I wonder how much Joe Namath got to come down from Pennsylvania and play for Alabama?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:56 am to Madking
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the player benefits much more from the school than the school does from the player so this idea that the player is a separate entity as an asset is just crazy.
Yep.
If the NFL wants to create a feeder league, that's fine. But will this feeder league's pay be equal to everything a football scholarship at LSU comes out too? I doubt it.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:21 pm to tigernnola
Madking in here going off the rails.
“Muh footbawl is being destroyed by libs & LeBron!!!!”
What a pussy
“Muh footbawl is being destroyed by libs & LeBron!!!!”
What a pussy
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:43 pm to tigernnola
it's not pay to play yall
it's the players being able to make money from their name in things like advertising and autographs
it's the players being able to make money from their name in things like advertising and autographs
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:47 pm to Bucktail1
The NCAA is nothing without the top 25 sports (revenue producing) schools.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:16 pm to deathvalleytiger10
Exactly that is what this is about. Why do you think it is pushed first in the large market areas. It is that Cali and NY/Chicago (big 10) see the opportunity to grab the college football again.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:26 pm to tigernnola
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I just don’t see a way to limit or restrict what they can or cannot be offered.
Exactly. there's no limit. How is TV not considered selling one's name or likeness?
One thing is for sure, whenever the big money schools aren't winning (USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan) there's going to be a rule change. Whether its the playoffs, or rewarding the 'kids'....
There are definitely better options for feeding your family than being a football player. Especially if you have a college degree.
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