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re: Batting: Sanchez's Fault or Lack of Talent?

Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:26 pm to
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Seems pretty simple to understand what I'm asking since I quoted what you said.
This
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Then who since PM took 2 years off and maybe still does.
is not a question.

If my gibberish translation is correct I'll tell you Grewe was the recruiting coordinator from June of 08 through May or June of 11. And now LSU doesn't have a recruiting coordinator.

Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
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Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:27 pm to
No .. Our hitting sucks .. Our pitching and defense has saved us all year long .. You go to the games .. right ?
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5746 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:27 pm to
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Naturally developed....what do scouts think about their natural ability? How about Nola's approach? The improvement from Ross?

How about Jones' digression this year? Or Edward's inability to develop into a consistent hitter? I've been watching him roll over balls to short for three years now. At what point does Tyler Hanover quit hitting pop ups to shallow right? Why is Grant Dozar still swinging at every high fastball after seeing them for four years? When does Arby Fields quit swinging for the fences every single at bat since he hasn't hit a homerun all year and has shown very little power? Better question, why does he have the same approach and long swing with no strikes as he does with two? Why do we continue to be a dead pull team when seeing nothing but off-speed stuff on the outside third of the plate and knowing that the bats don't have the same juice?

Either we have some of the most stubborn hitters who either can't or refuse to make adjustments according to coaches' suggestions or there's an apparent and very concerning lack of necessary coaching going on.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:29 pm to
Hanover is the biggest disappointment I think. He's about neck and neck with Fields at the plate IMO.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30511 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:29 pm to
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You act like that is alot. That is not that special at all especially since he has over 50 k's

Never said it was special, but he has been solid and is one of our best producers. How much should he produce based on his talent? How much more would he have produced with a better hitting coach?
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38181 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:29 pm to
I don't feel like reading the thread, but it all falls on fricking Javi. I'm sicking of Mainieri keeping his sorry arse around. Kick that sack of shite to the curb and offer Stony Brook's hitting coach however much he wants.
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:30 pm to
Hello nail head .. Meet the hammer ..
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12347 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:31 pm to
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No .. Our hitting sucks .. Our pitching and defense has saved us all year long .. You go to the games .. right ?


I do go to games. I'm not at all arguing that our hitting is our strong suit, but you're a clown if you argue that 4th over team batting average in the SEC sucks.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:33 pm to
I'd love to see where we rank with RISP
Posted by tiger lady
Baton Rouge, LA.
Member since Sep 2003
432 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:35 pm to
Catman, I agree with you 100% about both Grewe and Sanchez. We lost Rooney and Godwin to UCF and replaced them with these two questionable hires. LSU baseball deserved much better than Maineiri hiring friends and family, and we are going to pay for that until Javi is gone and a real hitting coach is hired. We have seen how quickly our pitchers improved once a real pitching coach was finally hired. Thank goodness for Coach Dunn and the entire pitching staff or this team would not be where they are at this point in time.

Geaux Tigers!!
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12347 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:37 pm to
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I'd love to see where we rank with RISP


Probably not great since we're 2nd overall in SEC in grounding into DP's.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30511 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:42 pm to
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How about Jones' digression this year?

Jones is the biggest disappointment on the team to me because he actually does have ability to draw from....he just hasn't carried over the approach that most of the rest of the lineup has. Sanchez needs to do a better job of getting through to him.

As for Edward and Dozar, they aren't full time players for a reason. Hanover has been affected by the new bats more than anyone.

We can go back and forth naming players that produce/have produced and ones that don't/haven't. The bottom line is our lineup just isn't overly talented right now, and the results we've had are because of approach and experience.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:43 pm to
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MOT


Just because they did away with a title doesn't mean someone isn't in charge of recruiting. Agree or disagree?

And forget parsing the criticism...do you or do you not think he bears any responsibility for our ineptitude.

In short, who in your view is accountable within this program since you are so adamantly defensive of Sanchez?
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12347 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:45 pm to
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who in your view is accountable within this program since you are so adamantly defensive of Sanchez?


Buck stops with head coach. Always has always will.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:49 pm to
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MOT


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How much should he produce based on his talent? How much more would he have produced with a better hitting coach?


Better question: How much has the pitching staff produce based on talent? How much more did they produce with a better pitching coach?

This argument is pointless: Sanchez is a failure and should never have been hired to begin with. You cannot tell me you support his continued employment.

I know you know the game. Way better than I do. I don't see how you can look at this any other way...
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62054 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:50 pm to
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This was a ptcher's year, Russian .. Shame on our offense .. It is horrible ..



LSU ranks 4th in the SEC in batting average and 1st in runs scored.

Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5746 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:52 pm to
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As for Edward and Dozar, they aren't full time players for a reason.

They've both pretty much been full-time for the past month or so. More concerning is that they've been in the program and under Sanchez's coaching for 3 and 4 years now, respectively.
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Hanover has been affected by the new bats more than anyone.

And yet, we've seen no change in his approach. Is that on Hanover or coaching? I'd argue coaching.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:52 pm to
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moneyg


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LSU ranks 4th in the SEC in batting average and 1st in runs scored


Care to quote our BA in the postseason?

Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55901 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:52 pm to
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LSU ranks 4th in the SEC in batting average and 1st in runs scored.

are these stats for only SEC play or the whole season? We didnt play anyone at all good outside our conference.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62054 posts
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:54 pm to
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Katz with 12 HRs

You act like that is alot. That is not that special


6th in the SEC in the regular season.
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