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re: Batting order with Berry, Dugas and clutch hitting

Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:01 pm to
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Jesus, didn't realize it was this bad tbh. I still think Dugas should have his spot back. Jmo. If Johnson did this with Berry, imo, this is not good. I mean how does the lsu players accept this I'm wondering? He hasn't done anything special imo. He needs alot of work on defense and batting for Ave, rbis and hrs against good teams hasn't exactly been anything to write home about.



Ffs
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2622 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:02 pm to
If you can't see that the way the ball comes off of Berry's bat is different and special then I can't help you. He is kind of like Crews. The numbers are good and neither of them have really got hot yet. Plus for having as much pop as he has, he doesn't strike out often.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177300 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:04 pm to
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and maybe give Berry some better pitches to hit further down in the order.

Berry would get worse pitches to hit down in the lineup because then he'd have Thompson, Gio, and whoever's playing catcher around him
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:04 pm to
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That’s selective stats, Lester. Dugas is clearly playing worse this year than last. I’m a big advocate of Dugas, but this is undeniable. He has 19 HRs last year for crying out loud.
I could be wrong but I believe he has dropped off some because he got shafted from last year and moved down in the order. How many players hit around 300, 19 bombs, 70 rbi in a season and gets demoted to the 7 or 8 hole? I'm just saying. I've never seen it until Dugas.

Also, thanks for being cool with me and the advice.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2622 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:06 pm to
My argument is him over Berry. I said yesterday in a thread before the game that I thought Dugas in the 5 hole and Thompson in the 7 is what I would like to see.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290844 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:15 pm to
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That’s selective stats, Lester. Dugas is clearly playing worse this year than last. I’m a big advocate of Dugas, but this is undeniable. He has 19 HRs last year for crying out loud.



That’s a pretty weak argument

Any stat that means anything is well above average.

He is literally getting on base 50% of the times. Every other AB he is on base lol
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
4304 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:16 pm to
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What about being given his spot in game 1 ?


He had a very subpar fall and spring. Very subpar!

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He got bumped for someone who isn't even imo, special or anything.


You mean the NCAA Freshman of the Year? The leading hitter on the US National Team? The guy who up until this week was leading the team in HR and is statistically one of the hardest hitters to strike out in the nation? The guy who is a projected 1st round pick?

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i refuse to believe Dugas couldn't put up at least half of what he did last year if he had his spot back.


He hasn't shown much with RISP yet this year.

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He has been there in the sec not berry until this year


But he was in the PAC-12, Regional, Supers, and CWS.


Dugas might be my favorite player on the roster this year, but he is in no way, shape, or form doing anything better than Berry to this point in the season. If anything, maybe swap him and Thompson in the 5 spot. But he is not better than anyone hitting in our top 4.

Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:16 pm to
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ball comes off of Berry's bat is different
as far as the ball coming off the bat yes but imo, when he swings and misses,you can see only one place the ball was going if he had made contact and thats pull. His swings to me look bad mechanical wise. When he swings there is too much space between his hands and his body. He doesn't stay tight to contact, he opens too quickly. He also let's go of the bat with one hand too early and his body jumps wide open during his swing etc. It just looks dysfunctional imo. We have had several hitters at lsu over the years that had his output thus far in a season at lsu. He is both g different. Again that just what it looks like to me.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:25 pm to
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You mean the NCAA Freshman of the Year
glad he got it at zona last year because he won't sniff 1st team all sec much less player of the year this year. Again that's jmo.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79427 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:26 pm to
What are you basing your opinion on though.

Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2622 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:29 pm to
When the ball consistently comes off the bat hard and he doesn't have much swing and miss then even if it looks weird it is what works for him. Kyle Tucker for the Astros is an example of that.

Some of his swings may look like that when he is looking for a pitch to hit hard to pull side knowing that is the best chance to hit a homer early in the count or ahead in the count. I have seen him hit it the other way though.

Not everyone has a swing that looks good but as long as the bat path is where it needs to be at the point of contact then its fine, and he obviously has that down with how hard he hits the ball.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79427 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:30 pm to
His OBP is floated a bit by 12 HBP which is a bit wild.

He has 3 hits in 16 AB in SEC play.

2 walks and 3 HBPs.
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
4304 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:38 pm to
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he won't sniff 1st team all sec


I'm not sure we're watching the same games. Through 26 games, .340 avg, 8 HR, 26 RBI, .623 slug, 12/17 K/BB, .424 OBP. That's pretty damn good numbers.

And yes, they are inflated because of weak non-conference competition...but so are everyone's in the SEC.
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:40 pm to
Point taken. We will see, I hope he hits in 10 rbi tonight.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:42 pm to
Sec games I was talking about in op.
This post was edited on 4/1/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
4304 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:44 pm to
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When he swings there is too much space between his hands and his body. He doesn't stay tight to contact, he opens too quickly. He also let's go of the bat with one hand too early and his body jumps wide open during his swing etc.


Don't see it. He throws his hands to through the zone and turns well on inside pitches. Balls don't travel with triple digit exit velocity by opening too quickly. He swings with two hands!!

Berry Highlights
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:47 pm to
All I need to see is the swing and miss last night on a breaking pitch that went at least 2 feet outside the outer part of the zone and he still tried to pull it.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70615 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:47 pm to
Since it looks like we’re going to ignore the defensive issues and go all out offensive the order needs to be right and it’s not.
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
4304 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:51 pm to
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Sec games I was talking about in op.


He's hitting .320 in SEC
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290844 posts
Posted on 4/1/22 at 1:52 pm to
He got hit by a lot of pitches last year. Is that a knock or something?
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