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re: Based on this boards response to Ed O hire and since
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:39 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:39 pm to Tiger Ree
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7) Hired Tommie Robinson RB coach - the nation's #1 rated recruiter for the 2017 class. Has coached in the NFL as well as college. - *YES
This is another one you seem to copy and paste a lot, so maybe you can explain how these ratings are compiled and why they are relevant. According to 247 Robinson was #2 for the 2017 class which seems to be great so I'm not sure why you continue to embellish it. His ratings in other recent years fluctuate wildly. Can you explain how this happens and why they should be taken seriously?
2014: 408
2015: 92
2016: 464
2017: 2
2018: 71 (class not final)
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:19 pm to GermantownTiger
Let's at least give the guy one season before we bash him. The ogar is a great motivator and recruiter. As long as he lets the coordinators do their thing! It will be all good.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:54 pm to Tiger Ree
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There is a difference of what 12 years?
Lol. Did you give Miles credit for lsu's defenses during his tenure?
Because that's exactly what youre doing with giving credit to O for the offense.
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If he doesn't, since you won't give credit, just be quiet.
Na. I'll keep stating facts that make your vag bleed.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:58 pm to Tiger Ree
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Coach O had a TE's coach running the offense and he did better than Mile's OC years into his tenure. Who's fault is that?
Holy shite. You tout O because how the offense played during his tenure but then make an excuse for when our offense doesnt do well against the better defenses.
I shouldn't expect anything less from you.
You're the football ignorant poster that doesnt give Herman credit for his 1st year at Houston because it wasnt his program and then in the same post tout an interim tenure as proof O has gotten better. It's literally one of the dumbest things I've witnessed on here and this place is full ignorance.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:11 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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You can list the stats all you want. It's not who we beat, it's how we beat them.
Again, stop acting like it was some different way of getting yards.
We ran for 418,319,and 390 against ole miss, arkansas,and Missourri.
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CEO led our guys to beat teams the way we should beat them.
It's really amazing how all of the sudden offensive production against weak teams became really meaningful under O.
I readily admit the offense looked better during O's tenure but if the bar is set at just being slightly better than Miles, thats a pretty low bar.
We still struggled against our decent defenses.
A&m,arky,ole miss,and missourri were 90th or worse in opponents offensive yards per game.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:14 pm to minvielle
I guess I don't understand why it seems like some folks go out of their way to hate Coach O for things in the past or bc he's "one of us" or Cajun..who gives a shite..he's the coach at LSU now. That's not changing this year. Just support the coach of your fav team. If he doesn't get it done, then we can bitch..but give the dude a chance. He loves LSU and will do whatever he can, imo, to bring a National Championship back to BR
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:17 pm to geauxtigers33
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Coach O will be heavily involved on the defensive sid
He has never run a successful defense.
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This notion he doesn't know a certain side of the ball bothers
It's never been proven that he can successfully run a defense.
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is a very underrated d line coach.
I disagree. He is widely considered a great dline coach and great recruiter.
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The man has been a defensive coach his whole career for some great defensive teams. He coached under Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carrol two great defensive minded head coaches. You don't think he may have picked something up from them
I know he has never proven he can run a successful defense.
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Doesn't mean he doesn't know defense.
I havent seen anyone question his knowledge of football. There is a massive difference between saying he doesn't have knowledge and that he has never proven he can run a successful defense.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:25 pm to nitwit
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Does anybody understand the notion that the head coach's job embraces more than "staying out of the way of the OC and DC"?
Is it possible for the Rant to lower expectations more for The Orgeron?
Its not.
I've seen multiple posters say miles left him a shite show talent wise and to not expect to win 10 games next year.
There is a group of LSU posters that have convinced themselves that it's great for a head coach to jjst get out of the way when in fact the best coaches in cfb are hands on.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:27 pm to Tiger Ree
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That is why Austin Thomas is at LSU. It was not some BRILLIANT move, out of the air, by Les Miles and to think so would be idiotic.
What's really idiotic is that somehow, some way, you genuinely believe O planted Austin Thomas at LSU two years before Miles hired O, because O knew his next gig would be at LSU. You've said some horribly stupid shite on here, but this statement, and the one about O wanting Thomas here to recruit the top two TN players(Stevens and Phillips were in junior high whenever AT was hired) is the most retarded shite I've ever read on here. And that's saying a lot.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:27 pm to supersaints9
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have literally not read that anywhere. Even from the known dipshits on this site.
What? It happened in this thread.
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This season could easily be a 4-5 loss season and not be a reflection of O not being able to coach
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:43 pm to BayouBengals18
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What's really idiotic is that somehow, some way, you genuinely believe O planted Austin Thomas at LSU two years before Miles hired O, because O knew his next gig would be at LSU. You've said some horribly stupid shite on here, but this statement, and the one about O wanting Thomas here to recruit the top two TN players(Stevens and Phillips were in junior high whenever AT was hired) is the most retarded shite I've ever read on here. And that's saying a lot.
At this point I hope he is trolling because the arguments he makes for topics are just the dumbest arguments ever.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:43 pm to lsu2006
quote:In all this talk about Austin Thomas and who hired him there's some missing chronology.
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Explain your opinion on how the hell Austin Thomas would have wound up at LSU if not for Ed Orgeron.
Whoever our coach was could have hired him? He was first hired here in 2013 before Orgeron was here.
He left for USC in Feb of '16 not long after signing day but was convinced to return in May.
There were many that thought he was necessary to get back. But one must ask why after the botched firing did he bolt as soon as recruiting was over.
Apologies if that "interlude" was mentioned previously; I did not see it skimming the posts.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I missed that. Oh well the rant never ceases to disappoint
Posted on 6/30/17 at 5:47 am to SoulGlo
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What is there to be unhappy with?
* Retained the incompetent Offensive Line Coach.
* Hired yet another "Great Recruiter Ex-QB" to coach WR's. (Instead of an experienced WR Coach that actually played the position in college and the NFL)
* Hired a Graduate Assistant to coach Outside Linebackers.
* Appointed 4 separate position coaches to coach Special Teams. (So now, they'll have to take time away from their actual position coaching duties to coach ST's) This isn't going to work very well, even with the ex-Saint ST Coach hired as a "Consultant."
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:40 am to semjase
quote:I agree with these for the most part, especially S/Teams.
* Retained the incompetent Offensive Line Coach.
* Hired yet another "Great Recruiter Ex-QB" to coach WR's. (Instead of an experienced WR Coach that actually played the position in college and the NFL)
* Hired a Graduate Assistant to coach Outside Linebackers.
* Appointed 4 separate position coaches to coach Special Teams. (So now, they'll have to take time away from their actual position coaching duties to coach ST's) This isn't going to work very well, even with the ex-Saint ST Coach hired as a "Consultant."
The one about Grimes... is debatable. A while back I made a post about his job may depend on getting one of those JUCO OTs reeled in with mixed love/hate replies. So yeah, still up for debate. I think the clock is ticking on him. CEO has not shown hesitation about firing poor results coaches in regards to recruiting so I don't think it's him personally "scared" to do it.
At the same time CEO has made some good moves. But these are indeed the one's I think he's either drug his feet on too much or were a bad decision.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:04 am to TheCaterpillar
Les Miles recruiting had fallen big until the hiring of coach O. LSU recruiting was so spotty and position heavey. Yes LSU could have hired a better name brand coach with a resume. I think most sane people would agree. I really think it's on the same plain as the Dabo hire and that worked out for Clemson. We'll see what happens but winning should be all that matters.
Even if he wins and brings us back to a championship level, there will still be folks saying it wasn't a good hire and they have a valid point which will be meaningless at that time.
I could care less who we have as our coach as long as he or she wins in an honest fashion while elevating LSU academically and athletically. We do that it's a huge success. HTT
Even if he wins and brings us back to a championship level, there will still be folks saying it wasn't a good hire and they have a valid point which will be meaningless at that time.
I could care less who we have as our coach as long as he or she wins in an honest fashion while elevating LSU academically and athletically. We do that it's a huge success. HTT
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:50 am to BayouBengal99
quote:I would disagree with that statement in general, at least partially (CEO hired Jan-15)...
Les Miles recruiting had fallen big until the hiring of coach O.
quote:but when you add that qualifier, I agree. With the misses on OTs alone I can't help of thinking of multiple "what if" scenarios.
LSU recruiting was so spotty and position heavey.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:25 pm to lsu2006
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Holy shite, how much did Fat Goebbels
What or who is a "Fat Goebbels"? The list is a quick copy and paste. Prepare to see it often.
That is your only response to all the points I made. Hate it don't you? Good
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:35 pm to lsu2006
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Whoever our coach was could have hired him? He was first hired here in 2013 before Orgeron was here.
That's it ??? You think Les Miles hired Austin Thomas for some reason in 2013? How would Les have known Austin even existed, again he was not a coach. His whole career besides 2 years at LSU, while CEO was at interim head coach USC and off the next year before Les could reassign Brick Haley to hire him at LSU, he worked for Coach O.
I'm sure CEO called Les and told him Kiffin had started the season as the #1 program in the country and had gone 2-5 to finish the season and finish unranked. CEO had a good idea Kiffin was out and put in a good word for AT with Les. No other way ever, Les would have hired an administrative person he had never heard of.
CEO was hoping to become HC at USC and I guarantee if he would have Austin Thomas would have a residence in Los Angeles right now.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:45 pm to Freauxzen
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quote:This season could easily be a 4-5 loss season and not be a reflection of O not being able to coach.
quote: This is precisely why the hire sucks, and I still dislike it. I'll give him a chance, but the optics of the hire sucks, the reasoning sucks, and the fans of the hire are completely illogical about it.
The whole point of the hire was consistency. That was the sell. Yet a 4-5 loss season is not on O.
Damn chill dude !!! You are crying over shite that hasn't even happened yet and may not. I'll wait for the 4 or 5 losses before I get myself and family on the ledge ready to jump. Go ahead and be miserable waiting for it to happen if you want though. Good luck being able to cry and have catastrophe syndrome for the whole time, hope you can make it.
Who ever said the whole point of the hire was consistency besides the one poster in this thread who doesn't have a clue. Two coaches used LSU to get more money and better jobs. If not for that CEO probably wouldn't be the HC at LSU. There was a lot more that went into the hire than ONE matter.
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