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re: Based on this boards response to Ed O hire and since
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:28 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:28 pm to Freauxzen
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Well if this is true, what this sounds like is O having no idea what kind of football game plan he wants to put together. No overall strategy, nothing to drive his decision making, nothing to say "I want *this* kind of offense to facilitate my game plan."
I think you're on to something.
One on hand it's good that we have a ooach that is skilled in making excellent, perfunctory choices in hiring coaches and recruiting players. It's another thing to make those hires in service of a grand strategy. I agree, O being the head coach should've already known who he wanted to hire for his offense because he's supposed to have a vision for his team.
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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Now Austin Thomas, who no one knows who the hell he is or what he does - HE IS NOT A COACH - leaves USC after Lane Kiffen tanks BAD. Where does he go??? I don't know. Want to guess? Yeah, the guy who is not a coach who has been behind the scenes at Tennessee and USC gets hired by LSU. Guess who showed up 2 years later? Coach O was building his staff long before he got to LSU. Explain your opinion on how the hell Austin Thomas would have wound up at LSU if not for Ed Orgeron. I patiently await you idea on how it went down. And really don't expect anything at all because you don't have a clue besides what I posted.
So you're implying that O and Alleva had an arrangement behind the scenes even before the firing of Miles?
That would be some sinister backroom shite.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:33 pm to lsu2006
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Whoever our coach was could have hired him? He was first hired here in 2013 before Orgeron was here.
And you did not read one freaking sentence of my post????
He was not a coach. He was a staff member who no one knew about except for Coach Ed Orgeron. Why would LSU hire a guy who was not a coach and was at Tennessee for one year and USC for two?
How would they know the guy was alive if not for Coach O telling them?
Coach O knew his next coaching position was going to be at LSU. Les Miles tried to hire him before he went to Tennessee with Lane Kiffin.
That is why Austin Thomas is at LSU. It was not some BRILLIANT move, out of the air, by Les Miles and to think so would be idiotic.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:35 pm to Tiger Ree
So Les hired Thomas 2 years before hiring Orgeron because he knew he was going to hire Orgeron in 2 years?
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:46 pm to lsu2006
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So Les hired Thomas 2 years before hiring Orgeron because he knew he was going to hire Orgeron in 2 years?
Jesus dude, is it not obvious.
How the hell would LSU know Austin Thomas existed and was breathing air on this beautiful planet?
The guy was not a coach, unlike Rick-Momma thinks, he is and always has been an admin guy for Ed Orgeron.
Check out his history, he was never a coach. He was CEO's assistant for recruiting, that's it, no more no less. How many times has an administration person been hired away by another a major program???
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:55 pm to Tiger Ree
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Jesus dude, is it not obvious.
No, it's really not. You're basically saying Les could see 2 years in the future and that Thomas came here because he also could see into the future that Orgeron would be hired as an assistant.
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How the hell would LSU know Austin Thomas existed and was breathing air on this beautiful planet?
Maybe he'd built up a reputation and it spread by word of mouth? Maybe it was on the recomendation of Orgeron, I don't know. But this notion that he was hired 2 years in anticipation of Orgeron coming here and he'd have never come here without this vision of the future where Orgeron comes here is ludicrous even by your standards.
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How many times has an administration person been hired away by another a major program???
Uh, I'd imagine it's fairly frequent. I'm not saying he and Orgeron don't have a bond or a good working relationship or that Orgeron being here wasn't motivation for him coming back here from USC, but let's not act like in 2013 he was hired at LSU because he and Les anticipated hiring Orgeron 2 years down the line.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:57 pm to Tiger Ree
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The first time Austin Thomas ever had a job at the college level in football was in Coach O's first and only year at Tennessee.
No, he was working as an intern in Tennessee's personnel department before Kiffin & Co. arrived.
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Guess where Austin Thomas wound up working? No idea? Well he went to USC. The same place as Coach O. Why? Because nobody knew who the "F" he was or what he did.
He worked for Monte Kiffin during his year at Tennessee and went to USC with the rest of the staff.
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Now Austin Thomas, who no one knows who the hell he is or what he does - HE IS NOT A COACH - leaves USC after Lane Kiffen tanks BAD.
He left about 6 months before Kiffin was fired.
quote:I know you don't.
Where does he go??? I don't know.
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Want to guess?
I don't need to guess because I can read. He left USC and went to Bowling Green.
quote:Possibly the dumbest thing ever posted on this site.
Coach O was building his staff long before he got to LSU.
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Explain your opinion on how the hell Austin Thomas would have wound up at LSU if not for Ed Orgeron. I patiently await you idea on how it went down. And really don't expect anything at all because you don't have a clue besides what I posted.
He was not a coach. He was a staff member who no one knew about except for Coach Ed Orgeron. Why would LSU hire a guy who was not a coach and was at Tennessee for one year and USC for two?
How would they know the guy was alive if not for Coach O telling them?
Pretty simple, maybe someone else who had worked with him at Tennessee was already on the LSU staff at the time Thomas was hired in 2013? Maybe you should use your cracker jack research skills to explore that theory instead of relying on your shite making imagination.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:58 pm to MOT
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Coach O was building his staff long before he got to LSU.
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Possibly the dumbest thing ever posted on this site.
Really, though.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:08 pm to GermantownTiger
I was thrilled with the hire and I think he'll do great.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:12 pm to Goldrush25
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I think you're on to something.
One on hand it's good that we have a ooach that is skilled in making excellent, perfunctory choices in hiring coaches and recruiting players. It's another thing to make those hires in service of a grand strategy. I agree, O being the head coach should've already known who he wanted to hire for his offense because he's supposed to have a vision for his team.
And such is the problem, and the risk. O's high level decision making is suspect at best. If you take this supposed rumor (that Ree is using as an O positive event), there are two types of conversations that could/might/should happen.
Ree's rumor, and something that seems to be kind of like Ed:
Ed: Hey Dave
Aranda: Yeah Ed
Ed: Look, I have no idea what to do for OC. I don't have good buddy OC after Kiffen, and there are a lot of names with a lot of numbers out there.
Aranda: Sure.
Ed: Who is the one OC that you wouldn't want to coach against?
Aranda: Maybe Matt Canada?
Ed: Yaw Yaw. I'm in! I'll give him a call.
A real coach:
Ed: Hey Dave. I need to chat about something.
Dave: What's up Ed?
Ed: So, we have a lot of OC candidates out there. It's a big field, a lot of potential. But here's the thing- I think that we need a high powered offense to continue to attract the best of the best athletes. We need a little flash, not a lot, and I want to focus on speed and skill positions. I think, with your skills and a solid OC, we can win some games that way. The problem with that is plenty of coaches who put points on the board are often inefficient in doing it.
Aranda: I love those coaches. I eat them for breakfast.
Ed: I know. But I found one, Matt Canada, that I think I really like. Here's the thing, on average, Matt's offense is a little less efficient than a typical Pro-Style or Spread baseline. Maybe about 8-10%, but his average Points per game is about 5.4 higher.
Aranda: Not too bad.
Ed: Do you think we have the depth to deal with perhaps an 9% increase on average in Opponent Possession Time? Do you think the more than a field goal advantage is worth it? I'd love to hear your thoughts.....
Aranda: My red zone offense will ill it. I think we can keep people out of the zone often enough to make up for it. And with the class we have....depth looks good. I think the risk is worth it.
Ed: I want to make sure we have an airtight case, but I think I'll be making a call soon. Thanks for the input.
I mean, what kind of coach would you be more comfortable with?
Of course in either case, the decision could be the "correct" or right decision, but that's not the point. I just wish TAF Admin and O had more thought, more vision. O just screams "That's all we had left."
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:18 pm to SeekGreatness
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Agreed, but many are saying even if he gives us reason not to and loses as much or more than Les, it won't reflect on his coaching ability and he should be given a pass.
I have literally not read that anywhere. Even from the known dipshits on this site.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:19 pm to MOT
Did you actually read your stupid shite before posting?
No he was not. Show me different.
How is it when he was running the copier machine and scheduling visits he was working for freaking Monte Kiffin?
Coach O knew long before that that Lame was going to lose his job. He knew he was going to LSU and wanted AT there to recruit the two best players in Tennessee.
Really dude? bullshite gets you NO POINTS on this board.
Who was this person from Tennessee from Coach O's one year there that was on the LSU staff when they hired Austin Thomas? Huh? Who was it?
Coach Ed Orgeron is who it was.
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No, he was working as an intern in Tennessee's personnel department before Kiffin & Co. arrived
No he was not. Show me different.
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He worked for Monte Kiffin during his year at Tennessee and went to USC with the rest of the staff.
How is it when he was running the copier machine and scheduling visits he was working for freaking Monte Kiffin?
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He left about 6 months before Kiffin was fired.
Coach O knew long before that that Lame was going to lose his job. He knew he was going to LSU and wanted AT there to recruit the two best players in Tennessee.
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I don't need to guess because I can read. He left USC and went to Bowling Green
Really dude? bullshite gets you NO POINTS on this board.
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Pretty simple, maybe someone else who had worked with him at Tennessee was already on the LSU staff
Who was this person from Tennessee from Coach O's one year there that was on the LSU staff when they hired Austin Thomas? Huh? Who was it?
Coach Ed Orgeron is who it was.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:25 pm to GermantownTiger
It is really more on Canada's shoulders than O's. O will rise or fall depending on how well the offense plays. I think everybody knows we have the real deal in Aranda and the defense will be good. For me the test as always will be Alabama. Can we finally have play calling that will give us a chance to win? Since Mettenberg we have lost the game before we ever played because we were depending on the same old power running game to beat them. We have to have plays ready that take advantage of what Alabama gives us and not decide on a game plan that is struck in gold and won't change. In game adjustments are what we have lacked for so long. If O and his OC can bring us this and at least a chance to win then they will have my support.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:26 pm to Tiger Ree
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No he was not. Show me different.
"Thomas got his start in college athletics in the fall of 2008 when he served as a recruiting intern at Tennessee."
Hint: Orgeron was coaching DL with the Saints then.
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How is it when he was running the copier machine and scheduling visits he was working for freaking Monte Kiffin?
"He then served as a defensive assistant for a year under Monte Kiffin at Tennessee from June 2009 to May 2010."
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Really dude? bullshite gets you NO POINTS on this board.
"Thomas joined the Southern Cal staff in June of 2010, first serving as a defensive and recruiting assistant for a year before moving into operations in April of 2011. He was promoted to assistant director of operations/recruiting in April of 2012, a post he held until March of 2013.
...
Thomas joined LSU after a brief stint at Bowling Green, where he served as the Falcons' director of recruiting and player personnel."
Man, you enjoy being wrong, huh?
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:34 pm to Tiger Ree
So, Da Coach O encountered Austin Thomas, recognized his talents?
And this qualifies him to be HC at a major football power?
And this qualifies him to be HC at a major football power?
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:50 pm to Tiger Ree
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Did you actually read your stupid shite before posting?
Yes. In fact I read every bit of it in the Austin Thomas bio on lsusports.net.
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No he was not. Show me different.
From lsusports.net: ""Thomas got his start in college athletics in the fall of 2008 when he served as a recruiting intern at Tennessee." FYI Fulmer was still the coach in 2008.
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How is it when he was running the copier machine and scheduling visits he was working for freaking Monte Kiffin?
From lsusports.net: "He then served as a defensive assistant for a year under Monte Kiffin at Tennessee from June 2009 to May 2010."
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Coach O knew long before that that Lame was going to lose his job. He knew he was going to LSU and wanted AT there to recruit the two best players in Tennessee.
Are you referring to Jacob Phillips and Jacoby Stevens, who were both in 8th grade when Thomas was hired here?
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Really dude? bullshite gets you NO POINTS on this board.
From lsusports.net: "Thomas joined LSU after a brief stint at Bowling Green, where he served as the Falcons' director of recruiting and player personnel."
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Who was this person from Tennessee from Coach O's one year there that was on the LSU staff when they hired Austin Thomas? Huh? Who was it?
Here is a hint. He is now the head coach at UTSA.
I'm really not trying to embarrass you, but you've gone off the deep end here.
ETA: damn you lsu2006
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 6:54 pm to GermantownTiger
I don't think the majority of fans at those games post regularly on here
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:27 pm to Tom Bronco
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It is really more on Canada's shoulders than O's. O will rise or fall depending on how well the offense plays. I think everybody knows we have the real deal in Aranda and the defense will be good. For me the test as always will be Alabama. Can we finally have play calling that will give us a chance to win? Since Mettenberg we have lost the game before we ever played because we were depending on the same old power running game to beat them. We have to have plays ready that take advantage of what Alabama gives us and not decide on a game plan that is struck in gold and won't change. In game adjustments are what we have lacked for so long. If O and his OC can bring us this and at least a chance to win then they will have my support
Thank you. A reasoned response.
It seems we sit at both ends of the spectrum on tRant. Either O gets too much credit or none at all. There's no middle ground. I'll stay cautiously optimistic that O and Co. can change the trajectory of this team. That being said, Canada has to give signs that he can make this offense effective and O has to prove he can push the right buttons and get near immediate results. I doubt he will be given much of a grace period, if any at all.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:31 pm to GermantownTiger
I'm all in on Eaux
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