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Auburn/LSU Changes From Last Year
Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:27 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:27 am
I posted this in a thread from the SEC Rant and figured some might wanna know what will be different about this game compared to last year.
Auburn:
-Emergence of Fairley has really helped improve the DL. The others aren't great but they're doing well with Fairley getting all the attention; he's as good as Nevis and both are freaks.
-MLB has been playing very well but OLBs are scrubs.
-Secondary is comprised of three Stevie Wonders and a Hellen Keller; they're worse than last year.
-OL has played well and has benefited from a more North-South running game with Newton as opposed to the predominantly East-West attack from last year.
-Special teams is much better than last year; these could be two of the top special teams units in the conference.
-Much deeper skill players keeps them from being gased in the up-tempo offense.
-The most obvious is the addition of Newton. He's surpassed everyone, including delusional Auburn homers', expectations so far this season.
-Malzahn has really tweeked his schemes to cater to Newton's strengths (did you hear that Crowton?!?!). Instead of the East-West traditional zone read off the backside DE they've been running more inverted veer action and keying off the interior DT. This is what Florida did in 2007 to handle Dorsey and Auburn will do it all day against Nevis; will be interesting to see how LSU's defense adapts.
LSU:
-OL has improved. Losing Blackwell the opening game was a huge blow but they've rebounded well.
-Ridley has run as well or better than anyone in the conference so far; yes I'm including Ingram and Richardson. He's really the heart and soul of this offense.
-QB play is night and day. The Jefferson who had a career day against Auburn last year has regressed into a giant mess and the Lee who struggled against Bama last year is back to the Lee who torched Auburn in the second half two years ago. Currently Lee has the highest completion percentage of anyone in the SEC. If he plays the majority of the game, LSU will move the ball. If not, LSU will spot Auburn 7-10 points and lose, period.
-WRs play well when Lee is in the game. When Jefferson is in it's clear they lose some interest. Shepard hasn't taken off like most expected and Crowton still refuses to get him more touches out of the backfield. He's still not completely comfortable at WR so it would make sense to get him the ball on designed runs but Crowton apparently disagrees.
-LSU now has crazy depth on the DL. The loss of Montgomery hurt bigtime (he would have been huge in this game against Newton), but there's still a ton of depth. Fairley and Nevis are as dominant as they come and Mingo looks like a young Jevon Kearse. Some DEs (Edwards) have had issues with contain and this will be something to watch.
-Sheppard has really emerged as the leader of this defense and could be the best LB in the SEC. The OLBs are decent.
-The secondary has been in beast mode ever since the second half of the UNC game. They played a ton of young guys and there were multiple blown assignments but these guys are exceptionally talented and really catching on quick. They've also been moving around guys a ton. Peterson, Mathieu and others will be lined up everywhere in this game.
-Special teams is very good as well. Outside of one blown coverage to Florida where some new guys were in because of injuries, everything has been solid.
If I had to do an overall breakdown it'd look like this:
-LSU OL vs. Auburn DL: Wash, maybe slight edge to Auburn because of Fairley
-LSU RB vs. Auburn LB: LSU
-LSU WR vs. Auburn DB: LSU (assuming Lee plays)
-LSU DL vs. Auburn OL: LSU in traditional one-on-one but wash or slight edge to Auburn due to their system
-LSU LB vs. Auburn RB: Similar to above, they're probably even but Auburn's are great in that system
-LSU DB vs. Auburn WR (or anyone's): LSU
-LSU QB vs. Auburn QB: Huge edge Auburn
-LSU STs vs. Auburn STs: Wash
Chavis vs. Malzahn: This is the heavyweight matchup that will decide the game. In years past I'd say Malzahn but Chavis has really tweeked his schemes this year (as has Malzahn with the inverted veer). I'd probabyl hafta say wash
LSU OC vs. Auburn DC: Who gives a fvck they both suck?
Miles vs. Chizik: Miles gets edge in experience. Chizik gets edge in non-retartedness. If Lee plays they're about even. If not then huge edge Auburn.
Should be a great game; can't decide on a winner as of now. I think LSU has a slight edge in most aspects but Auburn's system with Newton running it completely balances any advantage LSU had. Can't wait for this fvcking game!
Auburn:
-Emergence of Fairley has really helped improve the DL. The others aren't great but they're doing well with Fairley getting all the attention; he's as good as Nevis and both are freaks.
-MLB has been playing very well but OLBs are scrubs.
-Secondary is comprised of three Stevie Wonders and a Hellen Keller; they're worse than last year.
-OL has played well and has benefited from a more North-South running game with Newton as opposed to the predominantly East-West attack from last year.
-Special teams is much better than last year; these could be two of the top special teams units in the conference.
-Much deeper skill players keeps them from being gased in the up-tempo offense.
-The most obvious is the addition of Newton. He's surpassed everyone, including delusional Auburn homers', expectations so far this season.
-Malzahn has really tweeked his schemes to cater to Newton's strengths (did you hear that Crowton?!?!). Instead of the East-West traditional zone read off the backside DE they've been running more inverted veer action and keying off the interior DT. This is what Florida did in 2007 to handle Dorsey and Auburn will do it all day against Nevis; will be interesting to see how LSU's defense adapts.
LSU:
-OL has improved. Losing Blackwell the opening game was a huge blow but they've rebounded well.
-Ridley has run as well or better than anyone in the conference so far; yes I'm including Ingram and Richardson. He's really the heart and soul of this offense.
-QB play is night and day. The Jefferson who had a career day against Auburn last year has regressed into a giant mess and the Lee who struggled against Bama last year is back to the Lee who torched Auburn in the second half two years ago. Currently Lee has the highest completion percentage of anyone in the SEC. If he plays the majority of the game, LSU will move the ball. If not, LSU will spot Auburn 7-10 points and lose, period.
-WRs play well when Lee is in the game. When Jefferson is in it's clear they lose some interest. Shepard hasn't taken off like most expected and Crowton still refuses to get him more touches out of the backfield. He's still not completely comfortable at WR so it would make sense to get him the ball on designed runs but Crowton apparently disagrees.
-LSU now has crazy depth on the DL. The loss of Montgomery hurt bigtime (he would have been huge in this game against Newton), but there's still a ton of depth. Fairley and Nevis are as dominant as they come and Mingo looks like a young Jevon Kearse. Some DEs (Edwards) have had issues with contain and this will be something to watch.
-Sheppard has really emerged as the leader of this defense and could be the best LB in the SEC. The OLBs are decent.
-The secondary has been in beast mode ever since the second half of the UNC game. They played a ton of young guys and there were multiple blown assignments but these guys are exceptionally talented and really catching on quick. They've also been moving around guys a ton. Peterson, Mathieu and others will be lined up everywhere in this game.
-Special teams is very good as well. Outside of one blown coverage to Florida where some new guys were in because of injuries, everything has been solid.
If I had to do an overall breakdown it'd look like this:
-LSU OL vs. Auburn DL: Wash, maybe slight edge to Auburn because of Fairley
-LSU RB vs. Auburn LB: LSU
-LSU WR vs. Auburn DB: LSU (assuming Lee plays)
-LSU DL vs. Auburn OL: LSU in traditional one-on-one but wash or slight edge to Auburn due to their system
-LSU LB vs. Auburn RB: Similar to above, they're probably even but Auburn's are great in that system
-LSU DB vs. Auburn WR (or anyone's): LSU
-LSU QB vs. Auburn QB: Huge edge Auburn
-LSU STs vs. Auburn STs: Wash
Chavis vs. Malzahn: This is the heavyweight matchup that will decide the game. In years past I'd say Malzahn but Chavis has really tweeked his schemes this year (as has Malzahn with the inverted veer). I'd probabyl hafta say wash
LSU OC vs. Auburn DC: Who gives a fvck they both suck?
Miles vs. Chizik: Miles gets edge in experience. Chizik gets edge in non-retartedness. If Lee plays they're about even. If not then huge edge Auburn.
Should be a great game; can't decide on a winner as of now. I think LSU has a slight edge in most aspects but Auburn's system with Newton running it completely balances any advantage LSU had. Can't wait for this fvcking game!
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Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:32 am to FootballNostradamus
I like Turtles
Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:58 am to FootballNostradamus
Great post!
could you give us a little explanation of what you mean by inverted veer. Although my high school ran the veer a lot, I did not play and have forgotten the basic principle. Is it basically like when a QB reads the DE (or is it the DT?) on a triple option? and why is it called inverted.
Sorry for talking football on the rant. Will resume requesting pics, littering the board with profane acronyms, and the relentless posting of emoticons shortly.
could you give us a little explanation of what you mean by inverted veer. Although my high school ran the veer a lot, I did not play and have forgotten the basic principle. Is it basically like when a QB reads the DE (or is it the DT?) on a triple option? and why is it called inverted.
Sorry for talking football on the rant. Will resume requesting pics, littering the board with profane acronyms, and the relentless posting of emoticons shortly.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 10:28 am to N.O. via West-Cal
This is the best thread I've seen on here in forever.
Great breakdown.
I really believe this will be a great SEC football game, that will come down to the wire.
I believe if LSU plays clean as far as turnovers and bad penalties, they win.
But, I'm not counting on that since they haven't managed to do that all year.
In the end, this game probably comes down to LSU's QB's. If JL plays as he has this year and if JJ finds a way to play closer to the level he did last year. LSU will be tough.
Cam will get his yards, mainly on busted plays. LSU's D must play for the solid tackle and not for the ESPN highlight hit.
One huge wildcard will be our secondary playing smart and not giving up a couple of homerun type throws on busted plays.
This is the type of game that both LSU and AU fans should be completely jacked up about.
Great breakdown.
I really believe this will be a great SEC football game, that will come down to the wire.
I believe if LSU plays clean as far as turnovers and bad penalties, they win.
But, I'm not counting on that since they haven't managed to do that all year.
In the end, this game probably comes down to LSU's QB's. If JL plays as he has this year and if JJ finds a way to play closer to the level he did last year. LSU will be tough.
Cam will get his yards, mainly on busted plays. LSU's D must play for the solid tackle and not for the ESPN highlight hit.
One huge wildcard will be our secondary playing smart and not giving up a couple of homerun type throws on busted plays.
This is the type of game that both LSU and AU fans should be completely jacked up about.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 10:46 am to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
could you give us a little explanation of what you mean by inverted veer.
The inverted veer is a combination of the zone read (the QB is in the shotgun and reads the DE), the speed sweep (the RB runs laterally and attempts to reach the corner), and a veer option because the QB and RB are heading towards the same side of the field. The regular veer sends the RB inside while the QB steps around the DE. The inverted veer just switches the QB to stepping inside while the RB runs laterally.
Auburn has had a fair amount of success running this play this year because McCalebb (the RB we usually use for this play) is very fast to the corner and Newton is obviously a big running threat inside.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 10:46 am to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
what you mean by inverted veer. Although my high school ran the veer a lot, I did not play and have forgotten the basic principle. Is it basically like when a QB reads the DE (or is it the DT?) on a triple option? and why is it called inverted.
Rather than the QB reading the DE and handing to the RB who runs to the tackle gap he reads the DT and either hands to the RB who runs outside while he runs into the tackle gap. It "inverts" the action of the QB and the RB. It is basically the run offense Florida ran with Tebow (Nebraska with Crouch and Frazier also). Tom Osborne was the first to use it a lot.
It takes advantage of a great running QB by emphasizing the QB keep over the pitch or option handoff. You also get to read a great DT rather than trying to block him.
And just because this is the rant -
Posted on 10/19/10 at 11:27 am to matt314
Many thanks to Au Rob and Matt for the explanation. Makes perfect sense to me, especially after just seeing the Arkansas-Auburn game.
Enough talking about football. Back to whether JJ looks pouty on the sidelines!
Enough talking about football. Back to whether JJ looks pouty on the sidelines!
Posted on 10/19/10 at 11:36 am to FootballNostradamus
I think people are overemphasizing last year's game against Auburn. Yeah, we dominated them, but that was pretty much a fluke game for us in the past 3 years. If we had played them again the next week, we might have played them real close or even lost the game, especially at Auburn. You can't extrapolate from last year's game to this one.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 11:45 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Chizik gets edge in non-retartedness.
Retart???
Posted on 10/19/10 at 11:46 am to FootballNostradamus
Some overlooked aspects: (not necessarily by you; just in general)
LSU - has essentially had 2 weeks to prepare (one of Mile's strengths)
Aub - coming off emotional win last week - may be tough to get up 100% for this game.
LSU - has essentially had 2 weeks to prepare (one of Mile's strengths)
Aub - coming off emotional win last week - may be tough to get up 100% for this game.
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 11:47 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 11:48 am to cggeaxtigers
Might have been a tough win last week for Auburn, but I have not doubt that they'll have no problems whatsoever to get up for LSU.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:01 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
Enough talking about football. Back to whether JJ looks pouty on the sidelines!
Now that you mention it...he does scowl at the water cooler pretty hard while sitting the pine, rather than pay attention to the game.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:03 pm to cggeaxtigers
quote:
Aub - coming off emotional win last week - may be tough to get up 100% for this game.
Yep I was glad to see them win for this reason, but if you can't get up for a game of two undefeated SEC teams playing for the west...
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:46 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
Many thanks to Au Rob and Matt for the explanation. Makes perfect sense to me, especially after just seeing the Arkansas-Auburn game.
Yea like some said, it's a great wrinkle to spread offenses. Traditionally you're zone read of the backside DE is a good play but it's a predominantly east-west dictated play and it can be defeated using the crash-and-scrape technique.
This new inverted veer flips your typical veer action (RB on the dive with QB around the edge) and has the RB on the jet sweep action with the QB up the middle.
It allows you to do three things:
1. Get more north-south power running action with the QB. Newton is a 6-6 250 lb guy, tough to bring him down up the gut.
2. Get playside double-team on the frontside DT as with the traditional veer.
3. Allows you to essentially leave the other DT unblocked. It's a great way to handle a dominant interior DL. It's what Florida did to Dorsey in 2007 when they marched up and down the field on our defense. They also tried to run it this year but Brantly is horrible and Burton is still just a freshmen and it was a huge disaster. Auburn runs it much better and it will be interesting to see how LSU adjusts because they will run this play on us.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:47 pm to FootballNostradamus
Also I got a couple of links to diagrams and videos of how the inverted veer works if anyone wants to learn more about it.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:49 pm to cggeaxtigers
quote:
Some overlooked aspects: (not necessarily by you; just in general)
LSU - has essentially had 2 weeks to prepare (one of Mile's strengths)
Definitely will play a factor
quote:
Aub - coming off emotional win last week - may be tough to get up 100% for this game.
Doubt it will be a huge factor. They've had many tough games in a row and momentum/confidence is what's keeping them going right now as opposed to emotion for a single big game.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:51 pm to FootballNostradamus
Just wondering who will be assigned to block Fairley?
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:53 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:
Secondary is comprised of three Stevie Wonders and a Hellen Keller; they're worse than last year.
I didn't know the SEC refs played in the Auburn secondary.
Oh wait, yes I did.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 12:56 pm to FootballNostradamus
LSU might have an advantage in prep time, but the only factor that Auburn's tough/emotional win will play is possibly fatigue, bumps, and bruises. When it comes down to it though, these are young, fit guys who will be fully recovered and more than pumped to host a highly ranked LSU team knowing a victory will likely propel them into the top 2.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 1:10 pm to JJLSU
I agree that Auburn will be plenty pumped for the game, especially playing before what is sure to be an electric crowd at Jordan-Hare, but it also seems that having "big games" week in, week out can take a toll both physically and emotionally. I would love it if looks like Auburn left just a little bit on the field from last week's game.
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