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re: Athlon SEC QB Rankings
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:23 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:23 pm to Goldrush25
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That's kind of a disingenuous argument.
Year 2 starters have a decided advantage over year one starters. Fact
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Year 2 starters have a decided advantage over year one starters. Fact
Being on a college team and receiving more instruction than another player also is an advantage.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:30 pm to Goldrush25
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Being on a college team and receiving instruction longer than another player also is an advantage.
Are you saying the not playing in games equals or is better than actual playing time?
I don't want to be accused of misquoting you.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you saying the not playing in games equals or isbetter than actual playing time?
Nope. Just saying that both are factors. And there's really no way of determining which factor matters more for each player.
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I don't want to be accused of misquoting you.
Yes, that is a patented move of yours.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:33 pm to Goldrush25
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And there's really no way of determining which factor matters more for each player.
There's absolutely no substitute for experience.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There's absolutely no substitute for experience.
Who's saying there is?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:17 pm to DRock88
These guys are so shallow. They have no idea that Burrow was not turned loose until late in the season because Myles Brennan was not healthy. Judge Burrow PRIMARILY on the last 3-4 games.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:37 pm to Goldrush25
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Being on a college team and receiving more instruction than another player also is an advantage.
With the limits the NCAA puts on practice time, you think coaches invest the majority of the precious few hours they have on back-ups? The starters get the vast majority of the reps.Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:57 pm to The First Cut
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With the limits the NCAA puts on practice time, you think coaches invest the majority of the precious few hours they have on back-ups? The starters get the vast majority of the reps.
That extra year is still superior to HS training, wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:11 pm to Goldrush25
A huge part is familiarity of teammates, reading new defenses every week, etc
Burrow came in cold with little experience and no familiarity. I think it developed later in the year but that's a huge piece of the puzzle. You have to trust a guy is going to be exactly where he's supposed to on a half dozen routes, that takes a helluva lot of reps with all of them
Burrow came in cold with little experience and no familiarity. I think it developed later in the year but that's a huge piece of the puzzle. You have to trust a guy is going to be exactly where he's supposed to on a half dozen routes, that takes a helluva lot of reps with all of them
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:27 pm to thunderbird1100
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Mond and Franks are getting a lot of benefit of doubt from having true QB gurus coaching them.
Mond is actually pretty good. He had at least 1 TD pass vs the top 5 defenses he played. This is him compared to Burrow vs the top 5 defenses last year.
Mond Passing
Miss St - 50% 232 yards 1 TD 1 int
UK - 62.1% 221 yards 2 TD 1 int
Clemson - 57.5% 430 yards 3 TD
Bama - 48.5% 196 yards 1 TD 2 int
LSU - 48.7% 214 yards 3 TD (in regulation)
Burrow
Miami - 45% 140 yards
Miss St - 57.1% 129 yards 1 int
UGA - 50% 200 yards
UF - 55.9% 192 yards 2 ints
Bama - 51.4% 184 yards 1 int
In all honesty, the people that believe Burros was better or is better than Mond are;
Biased, misinformed, and haven't watched Mond much. Burrow was literally one of the worst QBs you could have vs good competition. People love to explain away him playing poorly all year like this.
Even the guy y'all love to hate in Franks performed better vs the best competition he had.
I'm not saying Burrow won't be good this year (I expect him to put on a show), but I'm sick of the constant putting down of other QBs to prop Burrow up when you haven't even done your research. Burrow was a tough runner last year, but that was about it.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:32 pm to ibldprplgld
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I might be a homer, but I'd take Burrow ahead of all but Tua and maybe Fromm (I really wasn't impressed with him against us).
I like Fromm, but as SEC QBs go, the only guys I'd trade Burrow for are Tua and Mond. Mond is going to blow up this year. Keytaon Thompson after a year of experience will be damn good too.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:34 pm to mhc4tigers
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Burrow stats were accumlated against a much more difficult schedule He also had the 107th offensive line out of about 120. Anyway. I would take Burrow over any of them except Tua.
Burrow didn't have a TD pass vs the top 5 pass defenses he played. Seriously, name another QB that y'all think is decent that could not throw a single TD vs the top 5 defenses he played?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:55 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Burrow didn't have a TD pass vs the top 5 pass defenses he played. Seriously, name another QB that y'all think is decent that could not throw a single TD vs the top 5 defenses he played?
behind our Oline with our WR's with our RB's last season? Plenty.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:11 am to atltiger6487
Agreed. Just BS. Check back in late November for how the QBs stacked up.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:15 am to wish i was tebow
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quote:No. 9 - Keytaon Thompson, Mississippi State
quote:The guy that I expect to surprise nobody.
The guy I expect to surprise people.
Another Rant Fartknocker loving "Dual Threat Glorified Running Back" that can't hit the broad side of a barn throwing the football.
Stop him from running (Not hard to do) and you'll shut down the MSU Offense. By the SEC Meat, MSU fans will be intensely missing Fitzgerald.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 8:50 am to Datbayoubengal
Good stats. The A&M and UCF game ending the season completely altered the perspective of LSU’s passing game, it was not nearly good enough for the long term.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 8:53 am to Datbayoubengal
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In all honesty, the people that believe Burros was better or is better than Mond are;
Mond, second year starter
Burrow, first year starter.
I'll take Burrow, he has a higher upside.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 9:50 am to DRock88
Only guy I’d trade JB for would be tua.
So there’s that.
So there’s that.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 11:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:well i’d say talent, coaching, and being in the right scheme is more important than experience.
There's absolutely no substitute for experience.
If only experience matters, all senior QBs would be better than the freshman, which isn’t the case at all. Freshmen QBs excel all over the country.
Now sure, experience is good to have, but it’s not the primary reason for QBs playing well.
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