re: Athlon Coach Rankings - Ed O at 81

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Rick, should I read this thread? 

O at 81 seems logical until he does something.

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Na. Just like every other O thread. If you've been in one O thread youve been in them all.

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O at 81 seems logical until he does something.

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Hopefully this time next year he has shot up those rankings.

Yes I know that but taking over during failed seasons is very tough too. One could argue that not having the luxury of an offseason is more of a disadvantage than taking over a team with coaches you didn't even hire. His team also set multiple offensive records last year without an OC and yes the SEC defenses were down a bit last year but Miles never did what he accomplished vs division 2 schools with an OC. Hes not only not getting credit for that he's being bashed for it. And you keep saying he's not qualified because he's never been a Coordinator but he's been a Head coach lol. How can being a DC better prepare you to be a head coach more than actually being a head coach?

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Coach A

Has proven he can run a successful side of the ball.

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Your obsession with the grown man who likes to kiss his male football players is really weird.

To me success on one side of the ball would be gaining more than 303 total yards offense when you are a 23 point favorite against SMU. Yes - SMU was a 23 point dog to your kissing-bandit buddy and wiped the field with him to the tune of 38-16. 303 yards against a team that wound up 3-5 in the AAC.

Success on one side of the ball would be gaining more than 287 yards total offense against a Tulane team that went 1-7 in the AAC.

If that is what you call success on one side of the ball, it is just a damn good thing Tom Herman is known for his defense and not offense. Ha

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Coach A

Has proven he can run a successful program

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Is it considered successful when a coach has the most talented team by-far in a conference and finishes in sixth place? Fourth in his division? That's after being at his job long enough to have completely installed his program.

shite, people wanted Les shite-canned and he probably finished in the top 5 of the SEC most years if not all while he was coaching. LSU fans at least realize Bama has more talent than LSU. Some years UF, Auburn, Georgia, etc may also be very very close or have as much or more talent than LSU.

But you want to hire a guy because you think he is successfully running a program because he can miraculously take the MOST TALENTED team in his conference and finish in 6th PLACE??? Amazing.

I would like to know more about all of the success K-B (Tom Herman) has experienced while proving he can run a successful program.

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Coach B
Has never proven he can be a successful head coach.

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While the love-of-your-life (Coach A) was kicking arse and taking names to the tune of 4-3 to close out the season with the most talented team in his conference, Coach B was gong 5-2 in the SEC with one of the losses being against a team that everybody in the county knows has more talent. Coach B was also going into the fifth week of his tenure as head coach with only one staff member that he hired.

Let's recap - Your Coach A (kissing-bandit) with much more talent goes 4-3 in last 7 games, bailing before the bowl game to avoid being 4-4. This in his 2nd year on the job.

Coach B goes 5-2 with one loss being to a team with greater talent in his first two months on the job with another coaches staff and no OC.

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Yeah I can see how coach B be seen as the better coach

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It is pretty simple isn't it? All a person has to do is look at last season's results.

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Yes I know that but taking over during failed seasons is very tough too. One could argue that not having the luxury of an offseason is more of a disadvantage than taking over a team with coaches you didn't even hire.

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Someone did a comparison (I think it was on the coaching changes board when it existed) about the records of interim coaches taking over during the season for fired coaches. It wasn't pretty.

Nobody wants to give O credit for his two very successful interim gigs when in reality they just don't really realize how amazing the success has been. Taking over a 4-7 USC in its last 11 and going 5-2 is unheard of.

People say "yeah, it's hard for all of the other interims to be successful because the team they just took over fired their coach for a reason". Yep, damn sure did. Didn't phase Coach O that USC was just 4-7 in the last 11 or that LSU was 4-5 in their last 9.

He just took over the reigns and led both programs with losing streaks to winning records. No big deal for a high-stepper like Coach O.

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or that LSU was 4-5 in their last 9.

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Those four amazing wins were against TX A&M (19-7) at LSU, TX Tech, Jacksonville State, and a thorough whooping at LSU of Mississippi State by 3 points. Not impressive.

Three of the losses were to Arkansas (31-14), Ole Miss (38-17) and Wisconsin by 2 at a neutral site. Not impressive at all.

And some clown in another thread said Les Miles could have coached LSU to victory in the same games Coach O won with his eyes closed. I'm serious !!! That's why I come to this website. Not only is this non-stop entertainment, IT'S FREE !!!!!

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When you really look at his IHC record there are certainly some positives but also negatives. Namely that he basically beat the teams he should and lost to quality opponents,

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You obviously don't know that while at USC he beat the #4 team in the country. I doubt that even though he had taken over a team that was 3-2 (and that's with the early season cannon fodder - Hawaii, Utah St, Washington St, etc) to being 7-3 before facing the #4 team in the country, that very many people expected a Coach O win. He beat a very quality opponent.

None of his wins at LSU were against quality teams? None?

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only 1 of which, 2016 Alabama could you say was clearly better

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I'm sure you take this as a negative, but when you only lose to 2 games total, with one being to a consensus superior team, within the first two months on the job, a lot of people would take that as a BIG positive.

It's not like Coach O had the most talented team by-far in the SEC and went 4-3 down the stretch with losses to teams he was favored to beat by 23 points. You probably know who I'm referring to and we all know of LSU fan(s) who wanted to hire the guy. One has posted in this thread recently.

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When you really look at his IHC record there are certainly some positives but also negatives. [/b],

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Also when you look at his IHC record you have to realize he was dealing with what he was dealt. He took the same exact team - players, staff, admin, everybody - at USC and went 5-2 as opposed to 4-7.

He took over an LSU team and fired two coaches to bring the total loss to 3 coaches (CLM) and only hired 1 coach as a replacement (a D-line coach at that). So with less coaches and using CLM's staff with no OC, that has since had five new hires he went 5-2. And you think that is a negative???

Do you think he will do better or worse now that he has Matt Canada as offensive coordinator?

Or do you just want to dwell on the past (which I think is pretty damn impressive) and be miserable while you miss all of the exciting things that are taking place with the LSU football program in the present?

The hypocrisy is astounding. Look at his detractors you'll have them say completely opposite things about the same game or performance depending on who they're talking about. You never hear them say Guice's season wasn't that good because he only had good games vs weak defenses but they say exactly that vs coach O when talking about the same exact games lol. It's amazing the mental gymnastics they'll do to cut him down.

Madking,
pls post ANYTHING that confirms your theory that John Bel Edwards, and not Jindal, was the force behind LSU keeping Miles in November, 2015.

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The hypocrisy is astounding

You never hear them say Guice's season wasn't that good because he only had good games vs weak defenses but they say exactly that vs coach O when talking about the same exact games lol

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The first thing that comes to mind for me is the 90 something yard TD that Aranda's defense gave up against Florida. Who gets the blame for the loss? The guy that they all swear never ran a defense in his life. All of a sudden he gets blamed for a 6 point loss in a game that the only TD was because of a defensive F-up.

It's not even the position coach's fault that Guice went the wrong way on the final play of the game. Some guy said that Coach O should have verified the assignment with Guice before the play. Yep, message board LSU fan thinks the head coach has time to go over every assignment on an individual basis with all 11 players during a 30-second timeout.

Another thinks the UF game was lost because O was not in the final huddle. Yep, it's in the "full season of Coach O" thread.

So the defensive bust didn't cost LSU the game.
The offensive bust didn't cost LSU the game (even though Coach O has been crucified for not running an offense also).
It was all Coach O's fault and very likely because he didn't stand in the circle with his arms around the players.

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