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re: Article on Les Miles "mistreatment of Lee"

Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:10 am to
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:10 am to
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Because he's been changing game plans based on how he thinks LSU fans will react


So you think that Les is intentionally trying to piss off the fanbase?
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:10 am to
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Otherwise, how do you explain not having the backup QB get some meaningful snaps in 2 blowout games we had in control?


up until the WKU game, JJ had not run the bulk of the base offense, he needed all the snaps he could get if he was going to be the starter going forward.
Posted by Camp Randall
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:11 am to
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Can you make one post without degrading other people?


In this thread it's very difficult.

Is there any new information?
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:13 am to
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So you think that Les is intentionally trying to piss off the fanbase?


No. I'm saying that he started Lee when he didn't really want to do it, and that he spent more time trying to figure out how to get JJ involved in games rather than trying to just focus on a solid game plan for the actual starter.
Posted by stapuffmarshy
lower 9
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:13 am to
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Is there any new information?



actually yes but too much disagreement in here for some to see it


check my post history, in this thread
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:13 am to
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This is the most vaginally infected dribble in this thread. Cry me a fricking river. If the roles were reversed would you and everyone else in this thread be saying the same for the other qb?



This is such a logical, fact based post that it would shame me to comment. It is obvious I am dealing with a superior intellect and should bow down. But would you believe me if I said yes I would?
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:14 am to
It's not Les' fault Lee can't run the option
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:14 am to
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Is there any new information?



actually yes but too much disagreement in here for some to see it


check my post history, in this thread
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
8247 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:19 am to
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Most will agree, but really, in the UGA game JJ was the best? I think Tbob could have played QB as well.

JL played well all year, except for bama, to think that he was not worth trying in the UGA game was surprising to say the least.


This is the best post I have seen on the SECCG and you have nailed it. Anyone who thinks that JJ played well against GA is a fricking retard, and that includes miles if he believes this. Some posters here believe that CLM is above questioning because the team is 13-0. Yes the team is great, because of D and special teams not to mention the running game. JL was having a great season, and made two bad throws against Bama. Miles is a man just like anyone else, and is not above questioning. I don't know what the deal is with he and JJ, but JJ is not even a servicable QB. We already have a great running game, the offense needs balance. You don't need a running QB to add to your running game when you already have a good running game. JL gave the offense that balance, and made defenses have to account for his arm. Bama is not concerned with JJ's arm
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15877 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:20 am to
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Cauble followed with, "You're the guy who controls the playing time. You say you want to play him. How does that work?

"I have used him as best I can in the last couple of games," Miles said. "And again, and I say this very honestly, we plan on using him. We plan on playing him. It just has to be the right time."


This is what frustrates me to no end. Miles has said on more than one occasion that he wanted to get Lee into the game, yet he did not. The bottom line is that he's the head coach and he's the one who ultimately decides who plays and when, so why all this BS about "having a want" to get Lee into the game? If he wants it, then he should just do it. Is he afraid of upsetting JJ?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37763 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:21 am to
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the actual starter.


Was JJ going into the season. Whether you like it or not JJ didnt lose his playing time early in the season based on on the field performance.

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he started Lee when he didn't really want to do it,


He started Lee because you dont mess with a hot streak no matter who you think is better

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he spent more time trying to figure out how to get JJ involved in games


JJ ran the Perriloux package until Bama. There was nothing hard about figuring that out.


Listen I think Lee should have gotten more snaps. Im on record saying I thought he would and should have started WKU and Ole Miss. I also thought Lee should have come in at the beginning of the 3rd vs UGA. However Les is doing things no differently then any other coach whos starting qb misses time and the backup plays well. This happens plenty of other places and the majority of the time the previous starter takes back over the starting position.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37763 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:22 am to
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This is the best post I have seen on the SECCG and you have nailed it. Anyone who thinks that JJ played well against GA is a fricking retard, and that includes miles if he believes this. Some posters here believe that CLM is above questioning because the team is 13-0. Yes the team is great, because of D and special teams not to mention the running game. JL was having a great season, and made two bad throws against Bama. Miles is a man just like anyone else, and is not above questioning. I don't know what the deal is with he and JJ, but JJ is not even a servicable QB. We already have a great running game, the offense needs balance. You don't need a running QB to add to your running game when you already have a good running game. JL gave the offense that balance, and made defenses have to account for his arm. Bama is not concerned with JJ's arm



What is the season high for passing yards for an LSU QB this year?
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:23 am to
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Was JJ going into the season. Whether you like it or not JJ didnt lose his playing time early in the season based on on the field performance.


So what?

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He started Lee because you dont mess with a hot streak no matter who you think is better


Is this really your defense of Miles's actions? If so, I think I'll just take that as an indication you're conceding that you don't have an argument.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17571 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:23 am to
Yep grain of information in a waste of a thread. Watch Lee play and play well in the game. Snaps are gonna be precious. #1 priority is protecting the ball.

Saban is gonna be game planning for the JJ option for a month. Our coaches will have an answer for it.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:23 am to
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Some posters here believe that CLM is above questioning because the team is 13-0


he is not above questioning, but you have to be willing to accept the answer and move on. You also have to be willing to ask rational questions. No coach is obligated to answer questions about fantasy-based conspiracy theories. He also has the right to not answer certain questions, or to answer them vaguely if he's doing so in the team's best interest.

Posted by cajunintn
Tennessee
Member since Nov 2006
122 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:24 am to
Any fanbase would be ecstatic to be in our position; and most are befuddled by our constant complaining. I can't wait until next year. Next year there will be no quarterback controversy at all to deal with, but I'm sure there will be other BS for rantards to find to make themselves unhappy. I'm happy as shite right now, and am proud of our team AND coaching staff. Sure, I don't understand many of the decisions, but when, in the end, we end up with the W, how can we continue to question them?!

Guess 'haters gonna hate' rings true. I understand passion, but some of you have it all wrong.

Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:25 am to
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I'm happy as shite right now




Somebody's trying to convince himself of something....
Posted by infantry1026
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
8247 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:26 am to
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What is the season high for passing yards for an LSU QB this year?


Did I ever say anything about Lee lighting up the passing stats? I said he gave the offense more balance, because guess what: he is the better passer. If you think that JJ is a better passer then you need to put the crack pipe down and step away!
Posted by stapuffmarshy
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Member since Apr 2010
17507 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:27 am to
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Yep grain of information in a waste of a thread. Watch Lee play and play well in the game. Snaps are gonna be precious. #1 priority is protecting the ball.

Saban is gonna be game planning for the JJ option for a month. Our coaches will have an answer for it.



agree x1000


but no one pays attention cause their feelings are hurt. don't get it
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37763 posts
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:28 am to
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quote:
Was JJ going into the season. Whether you like it or not JJ didnt lose his playing time early in the season based on on the field performance.


So what?



Every coach does the exact same thing that Miles did from high school to pros. Starter goes out with injury etc. Back up plays well. Starter works his way back in and is back starting. There are a few exceptions. Notably Kurt Warner and Trent Green. However this is the exception not the rule. The rule is Aaron Rodgers gets hurt Matt flynn starts against the patriots plays very well and then Aaron Rodgers comes back the next week and starts. Im not saying either guy is aaron rodgers or kurt warner or even Flynn those were just the first examples I could come up with off the top of my head. Im just saying the normal thing is the starter gets their job back.
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