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re: Article on Les Miles "mistreatment of Lee"
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:55 am to Camp Randall
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:55 am to Camp Randall
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I could swear that Mr. Lee has 100 alters on this site.
Not an alter and he's not my son, just using that as an example. If you were close to the situation and barring some unforeseen giant SECRET that Les Miles is holding on to that somehow the Rant, in it's all encompassing web powers has not been able to decipher, you would be pissed.
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Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:55 am to EarthwormJim
LOL. We live in historic times. Newspapers are going the way of the dinosaur.
The hack writers write for newspapers while the better writers work for the internet services. Guil-blow is a prime example.
He gets his ideas for columns from a few posters on the Rant.
Obviously, most of these bitchers and moaners about JL being "mistreated" are not very bright and they're not very informed.
When they screech that "JL should have told Miles to go frick himself" rather than take a knee, it is clear evidence that most of them work minimum-wage jobs, if at all. None of them have ever been in the corporate world,or worked for real money on any job of any importance. Otherwise they'd know how stupid that is--but hey, when you work the third shift at Dairy Queen, it's easy to tell your boss to frick off and go get another minimum wage job.
Of course, during an undefeated, championship season, the bitching and moaning about the backup qb does not bespeak of IQs above shoe-sizes.
Another sign of immaturity by the Lee-bitchers-and-moaners: they're throwing a tantrum because, like children, they think life should always have "fairy tale" endings.
Oh my, it seemed all set up perfectly for them. The "black thug" quarterback getting his comeuppance and the good All-American-looking white boy saving the day and the season. "Hell, the black thug even has one of these 'welfare queen' aunts shrilling about her nephew being mistreated!"
Hey, this was some of these rednecks' wet dreams!
Of course, life rarely has a storybook ending--even a "storybook" as warped as the myths these guys have made of this qb saga to fit their own worldviews.
Jarrett Lee will leave LSU with a championship ring and the knowledge that he contributed significantly to a championship season and five of the greatest consecutive years in LSU football history.
Otherwise, 1 billion Chinese don't give a shite about the supposed quarterback controversy.
Even more pertinent--to the chagrin of these idiots cluttering up the Rant--Les Miles doesn't give a shite either.
The hack writers write for newspapers while the better writers work for the internet services. Guil-blow is a prime example.
He gets his ideas for columns from a few posters on the Rant.
Obviously, most of these bitchers and moaners about JL being "mistreated" are not very bright and they're not very informed.
When they screech that "JL should have told Miles to go frick himself" rather than take a knee, it is clear evidence that most of them work minimum-wage jobs, if at all. None of them have ever been in the corporate world,or worked for real money on any job of any importance. Otherwise they'd know how stupid that is--but hey, when you work the third shift at Dairy Queen, it's easy to tell your boss to frick off and go get another minimum wage job.
Of course, during an undefeated, championship season, the bitching and moaning about the backup qb does not bespeak of IQs above shoe-sizes.
Another sign of immaturity by the Lee-bitchers-and-moaners: they're throwing a tantrum because, like children, they think life should always have "fairy tale" endings.
Oh my, it seemed all set up perfectly for them. The "black thug" quarterback getting his comeuppance and the good All-American-looking white boy saving the day and the season. "Hell, the black thug even has one of these 'welfare queen' aunts shrilling about her nephew being mistreated!"
Hey, this was some of these rednecks' wet dreams!
Of course, life rarely has a storybook ending--even a "storybook" as warped as the myths these guys have made of this qb saga to fit their own worldviews.
Jarrett Lee will leave LSU with a championship ring and the knowledge that he contributed significantly to a championship season and five of the greatest consecutive years in LSU football history.
Otherwise, 1 billion Chinese don't give a shite about the supposed quarterback controversy.
Even more pertinent--to the chagrin of these idiots cluttering up the Rant--Les Miles doesn't give a shite either.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:56 am to Adam Banks
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the coaches have made the decision that our running game and time of possession is more important.
We all understand the game plan. The problem is that there seems to be no contingency plan in case we aren't able to run the ball effectively. It's the proverbial throwing the baby out with the bath water scenario. When Miles made the decision to abandon Lee, the offense went from being very balanced to very one-dimensional and predictable. I'm not saying that Lee should start. I just think he brings something valuable to the table that JJ doesn't possess. The sad part is that Miles doesn't seem to value Lee's contributions any more. It's all JJ, all the time. I don't think that's very smart. We are a much better team when both QBs can contribute based on their strengths.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:56 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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If it's grades or something, that's so not a 'big issue'. I'm its not like the kid got arrested for a felony or anything, or he wouldn't be on the team now. If it's Lee's grades, just say it, big fricking deal.
most coaches don't discuss what goes on internally with the team, and the fact that some portion of the fanbase gets pissed about this isn't going to change their position. There are probably 20-30 players on the team that aren't getting playing time for one reason or another that has little to do with ability...work ethic, attitude, class work, etc. I have no interest in Les going player by player every week explaining why they didn't get more snaps.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 11:57 am to Savannah Tiger
quote:This has to be the most rational, reasonable post in every JJ/JL thread to date.
Look, I understand the consternation here. I understand why people want Lee playing. He got them through the hard times, almost like the wife that got dumped after she got her husband through med school because he wanted to "upgrade" to a trophy wife. It just feels wrong.
The problem is that a "win" isn't a given. The team has to perform well to win. The person charged with that responsibility is Les Miles. If he was doing this and had a 10-2 record, or 8-4 record, people might have an argument worth listening to, but he's undefeated this year.
I like Jarrett Lee. Seems like a great guy. He's just more likeable to me than Jefferson for many of the reasons listed in the article. I admire honor, and always have. If winning was going to be a given, I'd rather J Lee get the credit for those wins, but until it is a given, I'll just trust Miles to do the right thing. But even if Miles is wrong on this thing and he is wearing blinders with regards to Lee and Jefferson, Miles is still the coach I want in that position.
He's the head coach and he's accountable. I'm just a fan with no stake in the matter beyond pride and passion.
While I don't agree with making "honor" judgments with no close knowledge of the situations, especially when the individual caricatures available to us are solely media generated, your conclusion is spot on. 
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:02 pm to ForeLSU
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There are probably 20-30 players on the team that aren't getting playing time for one reason or another that has little to do with ability...work ethic, attitude, class work, etc.
I posted this earlier, but got no reply ... name one player who started the first 9 games and went from starter to basically zero playing time after having one bad quarter. If someone can name one player (other than Lee), I'll never comment on this topic again. Note that I'm not referring to losing the starting job, I'm referring to playing time.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:04 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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When Miles made the decision to abandon Lee, the offense went from being very balanced to very one-dimensional and predictable.
this couldn't be more wrong. Up until the Bama game the offense was very limited, we basically ran power plays and threw off play-action. Most of the big production in the passing game came off 2 or 3 routes. Teams starting bracketing Randle and the deep play has become very difficult to complete. They also started clogging the inside holes which slowed the running game down. JJ brings the outside running game, as well as the zone read to the offense. The offense has more variety and ways to attack now. JJ still has deficiencies in the passing game, but so does Lee.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:05 pm to 1984Tiger
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I posted this earlier, but got no reply ... name one player who started the first 9 games and went from starter to basically zero playing time after having one bad quarter. If someone can name one player (other than Lee), I'll never comment on this topic again. Note that I'm not referring to losing the starting job, I'm referring to playing time.
Id bet Tbob Hebert and James stampley fit that description very very closely. No one is starting thread after thread after thread about them
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:06 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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We all understand the game plan. The problem is that there seems to be no contingency plan in case we aren't able to run the ball effectively. It's the proverbial throwing the baby out with the bath water scenario. When Miles made the decision to abandon Lee, the offense went from being very balanced to very one-dimensional and predictable. I'm not saying that Lee should start. I just think he brings something valuable to the table that JJ doesn't possess. The sad part is that Miles doesn't seem to value Lee's contributions any more. It's all JJ, all the time. I don't think that's very smart. We are a much better team when both QBs can contribute based on their strengths.
2/4 highest passing totals this season were with JJ at qb.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:09 pm to 1984Tiger
It is all a mystery. JJ was not missed, and the team would have won without him. IMHO! It seems that Miles is very stubborn. What hurts is that he has the attitude that he can cram it down the throats of the fans. Like...I am King. His day will come, as he has 4 children. What goes around...comes around. He will remember this day when it happens to one of his kids.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:10 pm to ForeLSU
This thread is totally embarrassing for fans that support all the players and coaches of this team.
I'm truly embarrassed for the butt hurt lee only crowd. It really is sad that they can't join the rest of us and enjoy this whole team and season.
You would think that people would be ecstatic about a team that is 13-0 and winners of a blow out sec championship game.
I'm truly embarrassed for the butt hurt lee only crowd. It really is sad that they can't join the rest of us and enjoy this whole team and season.
You would think that people would be ecstatic about a team that is 13-0 and winners of a blow out sec championship game.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:10 pm to Doc Fenton
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Time will tell, but Coach Miles looks really bad right now.
You've always struck me as reasonably intelligent on the Money board. Way to shoot that down.
Either I was completely wrong or the Rant turns otherwise rational people into blithering idiots.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:11 pm to BeeFense5
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This thread is totally embarrassing for fans that support all the players and coaches of this team.
I'm truly embarrassed for the butt hurt lee only crowd. It really is sad that they can't join the rest of us and enjoy this whole team and season.
You would think that people would be ecstatic about a team that is 13-0 and winners of a blow out sec championship game.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:11 pm to DandyD
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It is all a mystery. JJ was not missed, and the team would have won without him. IMHO! It seems that Miles is very stubborn. What hurts is that he has the attitude that he can cram it down the throats of the fans. Like...I am King. His day will come, as he has 4 children. What goes around...comes around. He will remember this day when it happens to one of his kids.
I am really embarrassed for you. You are that fricking stupid.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:12 pm to Adam Banks
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Id bet Tbob Hebert and James stampley fit that description very very closely.
I don't know where to find the number of snaps any particular player gets each game, but I would bet both have significantly more snaps over the last 3 games than Jarrett Lee.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:14 pm to DandyD
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It is all a mystery. JJ was not missed, and the team would have won without him. IMHO! It seems that Miles is very stubborn. What hurts is that he has the attitude that he can cram it down the throats of the fans. Like...I am King. His day will come, as he has 4 children. What goes around...comes around. He will remember this day when it happens to one of his kids.
Holy Crap, there is no way anyone actually thinks like this. You are truly an embarrassment.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:14 pm to ForeLSU
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JJ still has deficiencies in the passing game, but so does Lee.
I never said that Lee was perfect, but anybody who thinks that JJ is a better passer needs to have their head examined. We are better with both of them than we are with one alone. Each guy has his own set of strengths and weaknesses.
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Teams starting bracketing Randle and the deep play has become very difficult to complete
9 times out of 10, JJ can't complete the deep pass anyway, so this is pretty much a mute point.
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JJ brings the outside running game, as well as the zone read to the offense.
True. But with JJ under center, we are not a threat to vertically stretch the field, and he seems to have a very difficult time hitting his receivers in stride.
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The offense has more variety and ways to attack now.
I agree to disagree on this. I find us to be much more one-dimensional now.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:14 pm to DandyD
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What hurts is that he has the attitude that he can cram it down the throats of the fans. Like...I am King.
It's like he thinks the coach should have more say on the team than the fans.
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:14 pm to 1984Tiger
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I posted this earlier, but got no reply ... name one player who started the first 9 games and went from starter to basically zero playing time after having one bad quarter.
the only one I can think of is Ratphuc Hobley...
Posted on 12/11/11 at 12:14 pm to Adam Banks
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James stampley fit that description very very closely
And if anyone "deserves" a fairy tale ending, its Stampley. That guy has more heart than ten players put together. I love that guy, but he's been quietly benched in the second half of the season without explanation.
It doesn't make me think any less of him or Miles. Stampley is a true Tiger.
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