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re: Article for the "it's scheme" crowd
Posted on 11/9/18 at 12:55 pm to Buda
Posted on 11/9/18 at 12:55 pm to Buda
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that Bama game and what I saw was our OLineman getting beat by Alabama's DLinemen CONSISTENTLY and across the entire LOS.
Everybody keeps harping on the bama game, but it's about the larger picture. The problems have been there all year and people like you ignored bc LSU got the W.
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Our O is better than last year and improving
Not sure if serious
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Rome wasn't built in a day
correct
saying you need better talent is fine, as it needs to be addressed but isn't fixed in 1 recruiting class. It will take years to build great talent on the OL. Changing scheme/philosophy/playcalling closes the gap on talent, putting your team in better position to compete/score/win...quicker fix while you build depth and talent.
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To those who want to place all the blame on coaching, this article makes some points to consider. OLine play is a lot about gelling as a unit and these guys have not been anywhere close to stable.
That falls on coaching!
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Recommend you guy slow your roll on crying about CEO and SE and work on being a bit more informed
This is pure GOLD!
Buda.head.sand.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 12:56 pm
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Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:05 pm to Buda
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Give this coach staff time to climb the mountain.
Since 2016 with the borrowed Miles/Cam offense, it's been a stop at Death Valley(CA), enroute to the bottom of Marianas Trench.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:17 pm to RuLSU
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I've watched football long enough to know that a really bad OL comes down to two things: 1) not enough talent or 2) terrible coaching
Sweethearts: this OL has some talent, but their development, training and coordination is piss poor. They miss assignments, their fundamentals are terrible and they don't play as strong / hard / nasty as they should.
Even with elite OL talent, this staff would be putting an inferior product out there. This OC / Scheme / OL coach are not working in tandem and the results are obviously terrible.
You don’t understand shite if you pass right over the injuries and all the shuffling.
God what a beautiful article. I love noting all the people denouncing it. Absolutely clueless.
Look guys, you can hate Ed O, but if you can’t separate real life football problems from that, you should be embarrassed.
Most lines are significantly worse if you remove one or 2 starters. LSU has had to deal with much more than that.
To think there is some simple scheme around it is laughable.
Throw short quick passes for 4 quarters!!!!! Bam!!! Done. That’s it!
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:21 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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actually have to hand it to the football ops building. This narrative came flying out of that building by the time Hannagriff hit the airwaves 90 minutes after the game. They weren't fast enough with it to get Hunt Palmer & Marlon Favorite to run with it even as the official post game show. Those guys were legit critical, and pointed to flaws in the scheme.
Do you even have the head space to admit the injuries have been a problem??
This isn’t a new narrative, as I’ve been saying it for weeks. It’s obvious to anyone that watches football
If Dabo or jimbo or whomever (insert Rant-respected coach) had this team 7-2 with what has gone on with our line, they’d be petitioning them for a raise & extension,
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:29 pm to Lester Earl
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Do you even have the head space to admit the injuries have been a problem??
Yep and every school deals with it.
LSU, the offense has been a problem for a decade, not bc of playcalling/scheme, but for lack of talent and injuries.
Man, when LSU can knock the injury bug, They will be unstoppable!
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:29 pm to Buda
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Just food for thought
The article is true. This crowd doesn't like it because it doesn't allow them to be so damned indignant about the lack of offensive production. They need somebody to blame and it's Steve. I wish he wouldn't have felt obligated to take the job he certainly doesn't deserve what's lobbed at him from this board.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Do you even have the head space to admit the injuries have been a problem??
Against SLU and Tech? LSU's offense has been anemic all season. Back then when the offense was puttering along folks tried to pass it off as the team simply not being excited to play against such inferior opponents. The fact that other Power 5 team routinely blasted these teams would not be heard.
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This isn’t a new narrative
No...it's new. The new trial balloon went something like, "We need to stop measuring our success against BAMA. Saban is one of a kind, what they are doing there is beyond historic and no one will legitimately compete against him so long as he's there. We'll never catch them in terms of recruiting, so we need to be thankful for what we have and stop worrying about Alabama."
That bullshite IS new. In fact, it's so new it only got tossed out Saturday night after that skull fricking they laid on us. Leading up the game, it was all bravado about "We comin." After? Stop worrying about the BAMA game until Saban is gone...
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:33 pm to Lester Earl
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You don’t understand shite if you pass right over the injuries and all the shuffling.
God what a beautiful article. I love noting all the people denouncing it. Absolutely clueless.
Look guys, you can hate Ed O, but if you can’t separate real life football problems from that, you should be embarrassed.
Most lines are significantly worse if you remove one or 2 starters. LSU has had to deal with much more than that.
To think there is some simple scheme around it is laughable.
Throw short quick passes for 4 quarters!!!!! Bam!!! Done. That’s it!
Come the frick on. Are you honestly saying LSU's OL talent doesn't compare to A&M, USL, Arkansas and Tennessee? How the frick did those teams move the ball and score on Bama? If you have OL troubles you don't repeatedly put your fricking QB under center and call play-action that takes 5-7 seconds to develop. Ensminger called one of those inside our own fricking 3yd line.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:39 pm to Buda
Considering AU, OM and TAM are the only Teams to consistently beat Bama in the last ten years I would say schemes played their biggest part in their victories. Roll the QBs getting those DL guessing which way to roll, counters, QB runs etc... Unfortunately LSU still believes we can matchup with those guys.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:40 pm to bstew3006
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Yep and every school deals with it.
LSU has started this many lineman one other time in the Saban-Miles-O era.
Thoughts?
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:45 pm to Lester Earl
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LSU has started this many lineman one other time in the Saban-Miles-O era.
Thoughts?
So what? LSU's line surely has to be better than what USL and Arkansas ran out there right? Definitely Tennessee. Maybe not A&M.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:46 pm to Buda
Good read, it you really watch the games we struggle it's always the O line.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:46 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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No...it's new
It’s not new. It just took bamas nfl front to truly expose us for you to understand
The kinks were clear in other games, even against bad teams. Watch the damn games. Stop using scheme as a crutch.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:48 pm to MightyYat
Dude you realize Ark & Tenn & usl games were all over after the 1st Q right?
Not every game is the same. Stop being so basic.
Not every game is the same. Stop being so basic.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Honestly...wtf is going on
Somebody that is seriously tired of the dumbassery on this board that's what brought her out of the ether.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:50 pm to MightyYat
Has anyone considered that LSU is limited (by its own players) to which scheme it CAN run....???
And what I mostly mean is the players on the offensive line......
Yeah maybe Ensiminger had the wrong scheme...I grant that. But, there is no way he could adjust to anything differently because the players he has to work with on the offensive line can not adapt to any other scheme....
And what I mostly mean is the players on the offensive line......
Yeah maybe Ensiminger had the wrong scheme...I grant that. But, there is no way he could adjust to anything differently because the players he has to work with on the offensive line can not adapt to any other scheme....
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:52 pm to Lester Earl
And backup lineman are backups for a reason. Either cause they are young or they just aren’t good.
A team’s true starting 5 is going to be better than a team with 3 backups playing. Comparing to other teams is stupid.
That being said being 7-2 like the article says is fricking amazing.
A team’s true starting 5 is going to be better than a team with 3 backups playing. Comparing to other teams is stupid.
That being said being 7-2 like the article says is fricking amazing.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:53 pm to Robbytiger
quote:Have you asked them?
Yeah maybe Ensiminger had the wrong scheme...I grant that. But, there is no way he could adjust to anything differently because the players he has to work with on the offensive line can not adapt to any other scheme
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:53 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Stop worrying about the BAMA game until Saban is gone...
yup. loser mentality
what some here fail to recognize is other teams DID score against Bamaas first team D. we COULD not. yeah other teams were blown out but so were we!
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:59 pm to abellsujr
No I haven’t....
But I do see a lot of players out of position quite often...as though they have no clue as to what they are doing....(still talking about the o line)...they should know the plays well by this point in the season...
We know coach O admitted to messing with the offensive scheme last year (Canada’s complex scheme) because it was said the offense needed to be simplified....
I know from watching the game...it seems as though Bama knew our plays and exactly where the ball was going....LSU must be a pretty easy team to scout (from an offensive perspective)....teams with less talent do better on offense....why is that?
But I do see a lot of players out of position quite often...as though they have no clue as to what they are doing....(still talking about the o line)...they should know the plays well by this point in the season...
We know coach O admitted to messing with the offensive scheme last year (Canada’s complex scheme) because it was said the offense needed to be simplified....
I know from watching the game...it seems as though Bama knew our plays and exactly where the ball was going....LSU must be a pretty easy team to scout (from an offensive perspective)....teams with less talent do better on offense....why is that?
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 2:02 pm
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