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Are we really that talented on offense?
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:26 am
Offensively, we have abject mediocrity at Oline and QB. We have one really good back and a couple of WRs that are essentially there to block for said RB. They drop passes and can't get open for the aforementioned QB probably asking if time for the draft yet.
None of rhe TEs are anything to write home about. So where's this overflowing talent that les has stockpiled. I'm not seeing it.
None of rhe TEs are anything to write home about. So where's this overflowing talent that les has stockpiled. I'm not seeing it.
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Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:41 am to siliconvalleytiger
I'm with you, to a degree.
OLine is in real trouble. They are not good.
TE is a position that we refuse to use to threaten defenses in any way. I don't even know if they are "good" , or not.
I KNOW that Dupree and maybe Dural are more talented than the UW receivers. It seems like we just don't do things to show their ability. UW receivers were put in positions to be wide open under our zone coverage.
We certainly are not creative, and we do NOTHING to challenge defenses to have to think or second guess what we might be doing.
Think about it...
As a D against us, you don't have to really worry about a tight end hurting you, you don't have to think about much zone read, you don't have to worry about mutiple receiver routes.
All you have to do is read VERY SiMPLE keys from our O.
The moving fullback. The wide receiver brought in on the edge of the line.
Absolute running plays, usually dives, no way out
frick this, nvm
OLine is in real trouble. They are not good.
TE is a position that we refuse to use to threaten defenses in any way. I don't even know if they are "good" , or not.
I KNOW that Dupree and maybe Dural are more talented than the UW receivers. It seems like we just don't do things to show their ability. UW receivers were put in positions to be wide open under our zone coverage.
We certainly are not creative, and we do NOTHING to challenge defenses to have to think or second guess what we might be doing.
Think about it...
As a D against us, you don't have to really worry about a tight end hurting you, you don't have to think about much zone read, you don't have to worry about mutiple receiver routes.
All you have to do is read VERY SiMPLE keys from our O.
The moving fullback. The wide receiver brought in on the edge of the line.
Absolute running plays, usually dives, no way out
frick this, nvm
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:45 am to bgtiger
The premise that we have a lot of talent and depth on offense is flawed. We don't.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:50 am to bgtiger
quote:They had opportunities to catch a lot more passes than they caught.
I KNOW that Dupree and maybe Dural are more talented than the UW receivers. It seems like we just don't do things to show their ability. UW receivers were put in positions to be wide open under our zone coverage.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:53 am to siliconvalleytiger
quote:Interestiing question. Is the offense just a part of a bigger ruse? Remember when we actually thought Miles wasn't winning with Saban's players?
Are we really that talented on offense?
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:54 am to siliconvalleytiger
quote:At every position except quarterback, yes.
Are we really that talented on offense?
Posted on 9/5/16 at 11:58 am to siliconvalleytiger
Skill positions are ridiculously talented.
QB has talent but doesn't keep his composure and stares down receivers. O-line being dogshit doesn't help his cause.
We don't use TEs in the passing game.
O-line stunk it up. Badly. They are supposed to be a talented group but did not look the part. I hope this loss lights a fire under their asses.
QB has talent but doesn't keep his composure and stares down receivers. O-line being dogshit doesn't help his cause.
We don't use TEs in the passing game.
O-line stunk it up. Badly. They are supposed to be a talented group but did not look the part. I hope this loss lights a fire under their asses.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:01 pm to airfernando
quote:
They had opportunities to catch a lot more passes than they caught.
They did. It seems like every other opportunity is some sort of challenged jump ball with our receivers. Some of that is on BH, some on receivers, but watching separation in the pass game like Arkansas and Wisconsin have had against us, I realize that it is US. Play calling. PHILOSOPHY
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:03 pm to siliconvalleytiger
A capable QB would help to showcase the 4-5 star athelets that we have on offense .
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:03 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Yes we do have talent, lots of it.
That is the problem they are not being coached up.
The problem with this team is wearing a headset on the sidelines. It is NOT a lack of talent.
Even Harris. He will never be an all American, but would be more than serviceable in Houston, Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame and even Bamas offense among others.
That is the problem they are not being coached up.
The problem with this team is wearing a headset on the sidelines. It is NOT a lack of talent.
Even Harris. He will never be an all American, but would be more than serviceable in Houston, Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame and even Bamas offense among others.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:05 pm to siliconvalleytiger
There are 2 positions on offense at which LSU has a talent deficiency. Unfortunately, they are the 2 most important positions QB and OT. The deficiencies at those positions limit the ability to utilize the talents of those at other positions.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:11 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:
Skill positions are ridiculously talented.
I disagree. Like the Wisconson DC said before the game, while LSU recievers may be tall, they play small. I think this largely applies to Dupree and also to Durel to some extent. Not big catching radius for either one of them and they don't high point balls very well. I think all of our skill position players are overrated. But they are still better than what most OC's have to work with,
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:18 pm to siliconvalleytiger
The offense is talented, no doubt. We all see the potential. The problem is talent and potential get coaches fired when there is no development.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:24 pm to siliconvalleytiger
When you have a QB that can not throw a 10 and out and never hit a WR in the numbers you have problems. We were lucky Lenard didn't get hurt on long pass. Ball was in the air long enough for DB to come from half the field away and cut him. The WR do not attack the ball and as for pass blocking, well, when they did give him time he couldn't hit WR so I guess they said what the hell, let's see how he does with heat on his butt!
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:55 pm to siliconvalleytiger
quote:
Are we really that talented on offense?
Much more so than Wisconsin. We have several offensive lineman that will be playing on Sundays. Thats more than the large majority of what other teams have. We struggle with pass protection every season. We have more than enough talent to compete for a championship, it's all coaching.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 12:58 pm to siliconvalleytiger
I think 1/2 the bench is former 4-star wide receivers.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 1:06 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Simply put, no. Our Fanbase has deceived itself for a long time. We do not have any great advantage in talent, certainly not when compared to other "top-tier" programs.
Saturday should have made it obvious. Wisconsin had more talent on offense at every position except one. Please quit reading about stars and recruiting classes. It's what happens after they get to college that counts.
Saturday should have made it obvious. Wisconsin had more talent on offense at every position except one. Please quit reading about stars and recruiting classes. It's what happens after they get to college that counts.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 1:17 pm to boxcar willie
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LSU recievers may be tall, they play small. I think this largely applies to Dupree and also to Durel to some extent.
Yet they will both be high NFL draft picks. It's funny how people talk about our receiving/QB/oline woes like they are unrelated to coaching and preparation in practice. 99% of other schools would kill for a roster like ours.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:04 pm to bgtiger
quote:
OLine is in real trouble. They are not good.
TE is a position that we refuse to use to threaten defenses in any way. I don't even know if they are "good" , or not.
Well given that the OL isn't good.. the TEs are required to help block
Posted on 9/5/16 at 2:22 pm to NoNameTiger
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That is the problem they are not being coached up.
No, it's the predictability of the play calling that is the BIGGEST issue. The players have absolutely no opportunity to showcase what they are really capable of doing because of the lack of creativity on offense.
I don't even fault the offensive line for their poor performance or Brandon Harris for that matter. When a defense knows what you are about to run before the snap, the chances of being successful are very slim.
We saw Wisconsin LBs & safeties shooting through the A & B gaps consistently because there was never a threat to attack the middle of the field with the pass. They read everything that was coming presnap allowing them to just attack the A & B gaps at will. The result was inconsistent running lanes for Fournette & almost immediate pressure of Harris on most drop backs. It was no wonder Brandon was seeing ghost in the pocket. In the back of his mind, he already knew the chances of him being fully protected were slim. The piss poor scheme & game plan never gave the players a chance to be successful.
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