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re: Are we lacking aggression on defense?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:32 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:32 am to Tiger Voodoo
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I think it could possibly be a bit of the opposite.
We seem to be maybe a bit too aggressive, at least in technique. Diving for knock out shots, not wrapping up, these have been killers on multiple drives and plays.
If anything, we may need to step back and focus on the fundamentals rather than just playing at a hundred miles an hour trying to win the game on every play
Interesting theory. A lot of small things that could definitely be tuned before the bulk of our schedule hits.
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Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:55 am to beantown
I've seen so many complaints/concerns about our defense.
I have a question, that may seem absurd.
Are other teams scoring a lot because we are scoring so fast? The defense barely gets a break.
When playing a team with a weak offense (Georgia Southern, Northwestern), the defense can handle it.
But when playing an offense with a pulse (Texas, Vanderbilt), the defense just needs to do enough to let our offense do its thing.
Georgia beat Vanderbilt by 24, we beat them by 28.
Is that naive to think that way?
I have a question, that may seem absurd.
Are other teams scoring a lot because we are scoring so fast? The defense barely gets a break.
When playing a team with a weak offense (Georgia Southern, Northwestern), the defense can handle it.
But when playing an offense with a pulse (Texas, Vanderbilt), the defense just needs to do enough to let our offense do its thing.
Georgia beat Vanderbilt by 24, we beat them by 28.
Is that naive to think that way?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:24 am to chimesstreet
I guess there are generally two different positions for the argument about our defense. Stats vs eye test. The stats tell one story, where the eye test is telling another. I know from the latter's viewpoint, we are seeing that routine tackling is being missed and a lack of pressure on the QB. A lot of this is coming from various points of the game too, not just the end where our defense would be "gassed". I think both sides have a point, but we shouldn't discount one side because it's convenient.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:24 am to chimesstreet
That's part of it, our d is in the field a lot.
I'm telling y'all, we miss rashers Lawrence and chaisson so bad that it hurts. You really can't evaluate our d without them. It would be like no starting center or a couple of missing o lineman even.
The biggest things on d besides that though, its blown coverages and run fits, that give up the big play. Then after they fill the wrong gap, they don't make up for it by tackling good...its Not an aggression problem, I'm very very sure about that.
If anyone wants an example. Just watch number 8 Patrick queen on the 1st play of the vandy game. That's your run fit. He's responsible for a gap anD he gets caught looking at the motion.
I'm telling y'all, we miss rashers Lawrence and chaisson so bad that it hurts. You really can't evaluate our d without them. It would be like no starting center or a couple of missing o lineman even.
The biggest things on d besides that though, its blown coverages and run fits, that give up the big play. Then after they fill the wrong gap, they don't make up for it by tackling good...its Not an aggression problem, I'm very very sure about that.
If anyone wants an example. Just watch number 8 Patrick queen on the 1st play of the vandy game. That's your run fit. He's responsible for a gap anD he gets caught looking at the motion.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:30 am to Tigerpride18
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If anyone wants an example. Just watch number 8 Patrick queen on the 1st play of the vandy game. That's your run fit. He's responsible for a gap anD he gets caught looking at the motion
Great example. I remember watching from the endzone and seeing that obvious gap unaccounted for. It seemed so simple, but the LB awareness is just not there compared to with White. This is just another case of it not being due to the defense's stamina and just a misplay.
Hopefully we get the team healthy and going by the bulk of our schedule.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:41 am to beantown
We are lacking discipline, obvious in zone D
We are lacking in the BASICS as we are not wrapping up and going for the headlines.
We are lacking in the BASICS as we are not wrapping up and going for the headlines.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:43 am to chimesstreet
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Are other teams scoring a lot because we are scoring so fast? The defense barely gets a break.
I think the break part of it is only a small part.
It’s more of philosophy of the opponent when they know they are having to keep up.
We’ve all been thrilled to see our offense attacking and being aggressive because it keeps a defense on their heels.
Well the same applies for our opponents when they all of a sudden start trying to catch up.
UT didn’t really pick up their pace until we did at the end of the first half.
Playing aggressive creates both a cause and effect that impacts the way the entire game plays out.
We’ve laughed for years about Big 12 defenses, but we saw first hand that it’s more about the offenses. I never really felt UT was playing bad defense. In fact I thought they played pretty well and kept pressure on our O.
But we just executed our offense, and Burrow made great throws with the receivers making great plays on their end. Yeah there were some plays where we caught them out of position, but again that’s a result of our offense working how it’s supposed to. But they made plenty of plays too. They made us work for it, even if it looked easy. It wasn’t.
I think there is some of that happening with our defense as well, although there are some fundamental things we can improve on obviously as well.
We’ve seen Alabama get into these types of games too, and no one is questioning their D scheme, coaching, or talent.
It’s just a different game we’re playing now. Have to take the good with the bad.
I’m just confident that Aranda will get more stops on whoever we’re playing, even good QBs and coaching like UT, than even a good D can get on Burrow (again, like UT).
He’s just that good.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:43 am to beantown
But, a lot of you also know something is "off"
What's "off" is the fact that we have not been full strength aside from the Texas game (which was hot, injury-riddled, and against one of the best offenses we will face all season). Disregarding that fact, the starting defense gave up a respectable 17 points to Vandy (scoop-n-score and a late TD given up by backups after the game was out of hand).
This defense, even at its absolute strongest, will likely not be enough to keep the likes of Florida, Bama, Auburn, or TAMU off the board. But they are certainly good enough to let the offense do its thing.
What's "off" is the fact that we have not been full strength aside from the Texas game (which was hot, injury-riddled, and against one of the best offenses we will face all season). Disregarding that fact, the starting defense gave up a respectable 17 points to Vandy (scoop-n-score and a late TD given up by backups after the game was out of hand).
This defense, even at its absolute strongest, will likely not be enough to keep the likes of Florida, Bama, Auburn, or TAMU off the board. But they are certainly good enough to let the offense do its thing.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:55 am to beantown
I'm wondering if after the change to a more powered offense,if the defense gets to work against talented offensive players running the more typical offense.
You shouldn't forget defensive fundamentals, unless you are not practicing against talented players all week.
You shouldn't forget defensive fundamentals, unless you are not practicing against talented players all week.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 12:30 pm to Gus007
Possible factor...not an excuse...
If they are constantly only practicing against RPOs, are they ignoring some of the other offenses??
I know the BASICS need drilling, no excuse for poor tackles
If they are constantly only practicing against RPOs, are they ignoring some of the other offenses??
I know the BASICS need drilling, no excuse for poor tackles
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:06 pm to beantown
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Are we lacking aggression on defense?
In the first half (mostly first quarter) against Vandy Aranda had no idea what defense LSU should be in. As he admitted in interviews leading up to the game that he wouldn't know what the Vandy offense will do until he see's it.
And Vandy did things that first drive LSU was not prepared for. Which is why the defense gave up 10 points before halftime.
The second half was more due to a lack of depth on the defense. Players on defense were getting tired and wore down. That happens in games.
Players get tired because they are burning energy by running and doing strenuous things, like pushing and pulling and tackling and running full speed. The body gets worn down and that can cause a lapse in concentration. And this can cause players to lose focus and stop using proper technique.
This is compounded by the fact LSU was playing without several starters on defense, which meant they were needing to play backups that normally would not be getting much playing time.
Plus, this offense scores quick which means the defense isn't getting 5 to 10 minutes to rest and recuperate on the sideline before they have to get back on the field.
All these factors are very taxing on players. I don't think it's a lack of aggression. I'd say it's more an issue of conditioning. But when all players are healthy the conditioning won't be an issue any longer.
It's a double edged sword: you want players big and heavy, but the more weight they carry the more stress it takes on the body, the more energy required to do the same activities. You really don't want dlinemen that weigh under 270 or 260.
With another recruiting class or 2 O will have both lines stacked with enough depth losing a few starters won't hurt as much. But he is going in the right direction.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 1:45 pm to beantown
We were definitely lacking aggression in the Texas game. When dealing with the 19-play drive and the exhaustion that we suffered, you have to look at what we did and say that we should've taken more chances to get our defense off the field.
With the speed at which our offense scores, the defense has to be aggressive to get off the field. So, yes, bring the blitz, and you either get a stop or a turnover, or else the other team gets a touchdown. Either way, the defense gets off the field.
In the Texas game, staying on the field and consistently giving up 6 or 7 yards per play is what almost killed us.
With the speed at which our offense scores, the defense has to be aggressive to get off the field. So, yes, bring the blitz, and you either get a stop or a turnover, or else the other team gets a touchdown. Either way, the defense gets off the field.
In the Texas game, staying on the field and consistently giving up 6 or 7 yards per play is what almost killed us.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:06 pm to Todd O'Connor
I agree, blitzing is not in Aranda's DNA.
Not blitzing means that the D-Line has to generate a pass rush, and that simply has not happened. LSU is 77th in the country in sack rate, despite having played 3 opponents with inferior O-Lines. That is a bit concerning, but likely due to injuries (mainly Lawrence and Chaisson).
There's reason to be optimistic -- particularly if Chaisson returns after the bye week and is healthy.
With how the offense has played, Coach O has had no reason to rush the injured guys back to play Northwestern St and Vandy, and Aranda has had no reason to change the scheme and blitz more to cover the deficiency when LSU is winning by 30 points.
A big part of it is also tempo - as others noted, more possessions = more points, and it's especially hard to get stops when you have a 30 point lead. You see it at all levels of football (even the Bears last night) -- if you have a big lead and the opponent is throwing on almost every down, it's really hard to get stops. Defense becomes more about soft zone coverage, big play prevention, red zone defense and turnovers.
Not blitzing means that the D-Line has to generate a pass rush, and that simply has not happened. LSU is 77th in the country in sack rate, despite having played 3 opponents with inferior O-Lines. That is a bit concerning, but likely due to injuries (mainly Lawrence and Chaisson).
There's reason to be optimistic -- particularly if Chaisson returns after the bye week and is healthy.
With how the offense has played, Coach O has had no reason to rush the injured guys back to play Northwestern St and Vandy, and Aranda has had no reason to change the scheme and blitz more to cover the deficiency when LSU is winning by 30 points.
A big part of it is also tempo - as others noted, more possessions = more points, and it's especially hard to get stops when you have a 30 point lead. You see it at all levels of football (even the Bears last night) -- if you have a big lead and the opponent is throwing on almost every down, it's really hard to get stops. Defense becomes more about soft zone coverage, big play prevention, red zone defense and turnovers.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:09 pm to beantown
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:18 pm to GeauxPack81
Could be.. more like an NFL defense. I might by that if the tackling was better. I do remember SAM Montgomery proudly telling NFL people in interviews that he only played hard a few times I hope we are not that selfish or dumb.
No doubt we miss Devin White. Devin Whites leadership probably saved the team after the two QBs transferred last year. Then Burrow once given a chance showed them we could win.
No doubt we miss Devin White. Devin Whites leadership probably saved the team after the two QBs transferred last year. Then Burrow once given a chance showed them we could win.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:22 pm to beantown
I have been saying this for a while now. We haven’t had a decent pass rush game in a long time. It seems like we have been unable to get pressure with our Dline for a while now
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:31 pm to beantown
They just aren't generating pressure up front. The guys up front are big but not very disruptive. The D line is made up of a bunch of guys who are DT size. But if you're playing with 3 DTs it seems like you would at least be good against the run.
It just seems like they're wallowing around at the LOS with no clear objective. Hopefully this will improve when/if they get healthy.
It just seems like they're wallowing around at the LOS with no clear objective. Hopefully this will improve when/if they get healthy.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:53 pm to GOP_Tiger
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e were definitely lacking aggression in the Texas game. When dealing with the 19-play drive and the exhaustion that we suffered, you have to look at what we did and say that we should've taken more chances to get our defense off the field.
This is probably the root of a lot of critics right now.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 2:59 pm to yimbeaux
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I think a large part of it is continuity. We have so many guys banged up, in and out of the lineup, that its hard to develop any consistency on defense. We haven't had all our studs healthy together for a full game yet.
I agree with you. Grade for defense is yet to be determined. Lets see what they look like when you can get Logan, Lawrence and Chaisson on the field as the same time, along with Divinity. The guys that are playing now, who are getting valuable game reps, become your backups.
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