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re: Are we incapable of admitting that process matters?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That's just fricking stupid. If some one takes their entire life savings and goes to a casino and bets on black on a roulette wheel and wins its a good decision?
You missed the point. If one prepares the team to win no matter what is more like having a sound investment strategy putting your money in sound investments and riding out minor ups and downs in the market.
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you can't continually rely on luck there is a difference between being in position to win at the end and blind luck
Agreed. Yet if you prepare, when the opportunity comes and you strike then, you win.
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:43 pm to Tigerloo
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Was that the same ball that bounce right back up to Mallet yesterday when the snap went over his head, allowing him to not only recover it but still try to make a play? Or does luck not apply here?
that didn't determine the outcome of the game. Try and be logical here.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:44 pm to Lester Earl
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That is your way to obsess on the clusterfrick that happened at the end of that one game. Please, move on, ranter.
FIFY
Oh BTW 10-2 Live with it.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:46 pm to Tiger JJ
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including ULM and the like
What the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:47 pm to Tiger JJ
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Are we incapable of admitting that process matters?
Process does matter, but not as much as results.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:48 pm to Uncommon Cents
quote:Do you think LSU has actually looked prepared, particularly on offense, this year? And do you think they've consistently capitalized on opportunities? Really?
Yet if you prepare, when the opportunity comes and you strike then, you win.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:49 pm to Uncommon Cents
So are you going to address it, or not?
you think it was good coaching because we won! Great! You don't understand football, at all.
just keep deflecting my friend. You'll never be taken seriously.
you think it was good coaching because we won! Great! You don't understand football, at all.
just keep deflecting my friend. You'll never be taken seriously.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:49 pm to Uncommon Cents
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You missed the point. If one prepares the team to win no matter what is more like having a sound investment strategy putting your money in sound investments and riding out minor ups and downs in the market.
It is you that is missing the point, there is no way you can say the end of the Tennessee game was having the team prepared to win, sorry that was a cluster frick and they got bailed out because Tennessee made an equally bad call. Your response to the end of the UT game is that we won so it was good coaching. It was stupid luck, that's all it was not good coaching. Given the same problem at the end of the 09 OM game, its a legitimate concern.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:54 pm to Lester Earl
For every "lucky" instance (except for ref calls) there's usually a corresponding mistake on behalf of the other team. I'm not complaining about 10-2, though with Miles I honestly believe we could have gone 7-5, 10-2, or 11-1 with our current roster. But I don't think we're the only team looking for a coach who can lead a team through a 13-0 season and satisfy the need for a strong "process." I don't even know if a coach like that exists. We can keep Miles, but give me an OC who can call sensible plays, develop QBs, and not confuse everyone on the field and I'll be satisfied.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:56 pm to 500
I think Miles is a championship level coach and that's enough for me. I couldn't do Crowton's job, but it's odd that I don't swear I could call better plays when I watch other teams play. It's just the Tigers. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be a fan of an LSU opponent watching our offensive play calls.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:59 pm to Tiger JJ
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What if LSU went 13-0, but needed a last second dumbass miracle on every single game - including ULM and the like? Sure, you'd be happy with the MNC, but would you really argue that the coach was good?
Do you really think any team goes 13-0 without coaching?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:03 pm to coolpapaboze
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Couldn't you just as easily make the opposite argument: Wouldn't you say that consistently putting your team in the position to lose in the last minutes of games against inferior opponents is pretty shitty coaching?
Right. And I think it's pretty clear that UF and Tenn were inferior opponents.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:09 pm to Tiger JJ
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What if LSU went 13-0, but needed a last second dumbarse miracle on every single game - including ULM and the like? Sure, you'd be happy with the MNC, but would you really argue that the coach was good?
Jersey, you are a person I respect to be able to think logically. How many times do you have to flip a coin heads before you admit it isn't luck?
Miles has his weaknesses, but you don't win as many games as he has on pure luck. It may be largely due to recruiting talent (and sometimes great coordinators), but he gets credit for that too.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:14 pm to Powerman
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And I think it's pretty clear that UF and Tenn were inferior opponents.
clearly TN, but UF has equal talent and a coach that is considered one of the top 5 in the nation...playing them at home is no bargain, even when they're down a bit.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
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there is no way you can say the end of the Tennessee game was having the team prepared to win, sorry that was a cluster frick and they got bailed out because Tennessee made an equally bad call. Your response to the end of the UT game is that we won so it was good coaching. It was stupid luck, that's all it was not good coaching. Given the same problem at the end of the 09 OM game, its a legitimate concern.
This is why I am not convinced a simple change of coordinator (while i agree it should happen) takes care of everything. When we played Arky last year a week after the OM debacle, I still remember the ESPN reporter saying to Miles, "you obviously fixed the clock mgt problem." Uh, except that we didn't. Ridley was incorrectly ruled out of bounds with time ticking down which stopped the clock and saved our asses. Fast forward to a month later...there we are against Penn St last drive with time running out and we throw a 4 yd slip screen to Lafell on a sloppy track with no time outs? May or may not have cost us the game, but again, not getting it fixed.
There have been multiple threads on here asking why it is that Miles allows so much time to elapse before spending timeouts.
This is a fundamental weakness of Miles and his staff and for whatever reason, it just keeps happening over and over again. It is a huge problem. We can get the long lost love child of Bill Walsh and Steve Spurrier to be the OC and I still don't see the time issue being solved.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:25 pm to Tiger JJ
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Are we incapable of admitting that process matters?
Are you incapable of admitting that nothing, in the fluid world of a college football game, matters more than winning?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:25 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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We can get the long lost love child of Bill Walsh and Steve Spurrier to be the OC and I still don't see the time issue being solved.
the OC needs to be on the field, period...
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:25 pm to Tiger JJ
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if LSU went 13-0
I wouldn't give a frick.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:32 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
All of you have been saying he's been "lucky" for 5 years now.
No one is "lucky" for 5 years.
Get over it, you spoiled brats.
No one is "lucky" for 5 years.
Get over it, you spoiled brats.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:37 pm to Prominentwon
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No one is "lucky" for 5 years.
11 of his 17 losses have came in the last 3 seasons.
Could easily be 13 losses or so.
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