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re: Are we incapable of admitting that process matters?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:31 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:31 pm to Lester Earl
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just saying, to me....the last 3 seasons have been rather ugly
I agree but that happens everywhere. Was it pretty at Florida this year? Was it pretty at Alabama Friday?
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Very little positives
You have the same all or nothing mentality as uncommon, just in the opposite direction. There is no excusing the CF at the end of the UT game, it was bad coaching. With the same thing happening at OM last year its a concern. I agree that process is important, but the point is to win. You can't rely on winning like we did vs UT every game, but it doesn't come anywhere close to happening every game. There were plenty of positives this year: Beating Alabama was big, the play of several you guys like Mathieu and Ried. Recruiting continues to be outstanding. We don't have major off field issues like some other teams. Lots to like about this program.
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It all goes back to the original thought in the 1st post of this thread.
process is important, but its not a stark black and white issue. Every game does not end like the UT game. That was a mess, but does not happen every game. You bring up the UF fake FG, that was lucky, but could just as easily be bad luck. The problem with your mentality is you will be unhappy either way, if doesn't work out you say its because of bad coaching, if it does, it was lucky. I mean is that play any more lucky than winning because an all SEC kicker misses a couple of easy FG like the OM game in 2003? Look at the Bama UT game last year, they needed a couple of blocked kicks to win, isn't that lucky too?
You are more aware of these thing at LSU because you follow LSU. There are legit concerns about Miles coaching ability, but luck does not explain all the wins and it ignores the fact that these things do happen to everyone at some level.
Miles is not the best coach, but he can win and win big. Will he again? Stay tuned. But there is no guarantee that other better coaches will win a NC again either.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 4:33 pm
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:34 pm to Lester Earl
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SEC record the last 3 years is????......quick!! quick
Add up the entire body of work. That is what a person is judged on. It's the only true representation.
Here I'll make it easy for you. When your boss is considering giving you a raise, he doesn't base it solely on that last hamburger you made.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:34 pm to Lester Earl
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SEC record the last 3 years is????......quick!! quick!!!!!????????
14-8
our record last year the same as Bama this year and 1 game better than Florida this year.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:44 pm to Uncommon Cents
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Add up the entire body of work. That is what a person is judged on. It's the only true representation.
signed,
Larry Coker
If LSU had lost 2-3 more games this year, Mile's body of work would still look good.
Does that mean LSU is going in the right direction?
you really should just stop posting in this thread
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:51 pm to Tiger JJ
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Are we incapable of admitting that process matters?
After observing multiple pages, yes, unfortunately as a whole, our fanbase does not concern itself with any kind of process.
They are happy with results regardless of how fortunate we have been.
For example....Had we won yesterday, the fact that we gave up an 80 yard touchdown pass with 6 seconds reamining in the first half wouldn't matter.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I agree but that happens everywhere. Was it pretty at Florida this year? Was it pretty at Alabama Friday?
1 year lulls really. And Bama had a decent year.
FL was breaking in a new QB, which always gives you a pass.
I dont want to make this a "Les Mikes vs Coach A or Coach B" type thing, but Urban Meyer has proven to put his kids in the right position to win games on the field. Same with Nick Saban. I can't say that about Les Miles.
I can live with LSU losing a game that they deserved to lose. More times than not, the kids are giving 100%. Too many times have I left a game saying I wish the coaches could bring it 100% of the time as well to match that. Win or lose, that happens to many times, and it is not OK.
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Lots to like about this program.
No doubt, don't take it the wrong way here. Definitely have some positives. But my main focus is what happens on the field.
Whether LSU's recruiting is built in or not, Les Miles recruits his arse off, which in my opinion, saves his job. As long as he has superior players, he can eek out wins against subpar teams.
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The problem with your mentality is you will be unhappy either way, if doesn't work out you say its because of bad coaching, if it does, it was lucky
Well you couldnt be more wrong. Becaue at the start of Mile's tenure, I was a big fan. But eventually his arse showed.
I will always support the LSU players 100%, no matter what.
And at times I've been very pleased with Miles and the job he has done. But the last few years, it has been few and far between to where I can say "that was an excellently coached game". Bama this year. GA Tech bowl game. UGA last year, maybe the ARK game. Other than that I cant really say that I believe Miles has earned his paycheck.
Bottom line, as I said earlier in this thread, is I want LSU's coach and staff to give these excellent players that best chance to win.
Because years from now, it's going to suck when we all sit back and say "man, what could have been with the players and talent we had during those years"...
Posted on 11/28/10 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
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signed,
Larry Coker
That's it? that's your justification? That's old and lame. But since you brought it up, how did firing work out for Miami?
Damn man get current with your stuff.
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you really should just stop posting in this thread
You certainly should. You are getting fu cked over more than a $3.00 hooker.
Unless maybe you like it?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:00 pm to TheBob
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For example....Had we won yesterday, the fact that we gave up an 80 yard touchdown pass with 6 seconds reamining in the first half wouldn't matter.
That's OK Boob, the last second Losses to Arky in 2002 in 40 seconds & the Loss to Iowa with 9 seconds, seemed to have vanished for the Negatigers.
Like it never happened.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:01 pm to Uncommon Cents
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That's it? that's your justification? That's old and lame. But since you brought it up, how did firing work out for Miami?
Damn man get current with your stuff.
again, you deflect what I say.
that's about the 10th time in this thread. You are pathetic.
Unless you can do better than "thats all you got" or "all we do is win" then you have nothing. Have a good day. Im done responding to your baseless ramblings.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:01 pm to TheBob
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our fanbase does not concern itself with any kind of process.
much of our fanbase wouldn't know a process if it hit them in the face. Bitching about the "process" just sounds more intellectual than "I hate the coaches", but is just as shallow as the "at least we win" crowd.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:05 pm to coolpapaboze
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Winning ten games this year and thus extending Miles' tenure will likely be bad for LSU in the long run.
Life is hard. They will finish #3 in the nation in recruiting, right behind Tex and Alabama.
Next year, they will be competitive against all comers, and may win the SEC west, SEC and national championship.
The Ducks on a neutral field. What will the winner of that game be ranked? #1?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:15 pm to Lester Earl
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1 year lulls really. And Bama had a decent year. FL was breaking in a new QB, which always gives you a pass
Should that not give Les a pass for 2008 (you keep referring to the last 3 years)? And really 2009, we had 1 bonehead loss to OM. other than that we lost to Bama and Fla, the 2 best teams in the country. Maybe the last 2 years was a lull for us? This year we have 2 loses to the #2 and #8 teams on the road.
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Urban Meyer has proven to put his kids in the right position to win games on the field.
hum, maybe, this is his first year with out Tebow and 2nd with out Mullen, we'll see how it goes from here, but you seem willing to give him a pass.
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Well you couldnt be more wrong. Becaue at the start of Mile's tenure, I was a big fan. But eventually his arse showed.
I will always support the LSU players 100%, no matter what.
that's not what I meant, I mean when a play like the fake FG at UF happens, when it works out like that you can say it was luck, if it doesn't its bad coaching. The lucky part of that play was the bounce, which is an execution problem by the holder. That game wound up being close because of a bad turnovers, one on offense, one on special teams. That stuff happens, its not necessarily bad coaching.
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Because years from now, it's going to suck when we all sit back and say "man, what could have been with the players and talent we had during those years"
We'll see going forward. We have lots of talent and another great class coming in, things are shaping up for a great run the next year or 2.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:33 pm to Lester Earl
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Unless you can do better than "thats all you got" or "all we do is win" then you have nothing. [quote]
Ok sport. Have an adult read this to you. You keep bringing up old news. Get current. It's old. It's stale and it's insignificant.
The "process" is meaningless without the desired result. A "process" that doesn't produce results is wasted.
Result is always paramount over process.
If the result is consistantly there, it trumps some vague notion of "process".
It is worthless if the operation is a success in terms of procedure and the patient dies. However if an operation doesn't follow procedure and the patient lives, it is a success.
The desired end of a football game is to fu cking WIN, you dolt.
And taken as a whole the aim of a season is to have a winning one. Les Miles does that and has done it consistantly for years.
So your pathetic little incident reporting is pretty fu cking useless.
Les Miles wins football games. It's too bad that pi$$es you off. But live with it. It's not going to stop anytime soon.
[quote]Have a good day. Im done responding to your baseless ramblings.
For which we all bow our heads and give thanks.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 5:45 pm to Hitchcock
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That's OK Boob, the last second Losses to Arky in 2002 in 40 seconds & the Loss to Iowa with 9 seconds, seemed to have vanished for the Negatigers.
Like it never happened.
Again with the deflection. I was pissed with the last second losses to Arky in 02, and Iowa in 04. I wasn't happy with the way we needed the bluegrass miracle to beat a mediocre Kentucky team. Neither was the head coach at the time.
Back now to this year which is much more relevant. Tennessee has our asses beat, then decides to put 13 people on the field. Miles is fricking giddy over the fact that we won the game. Forget the fact that the last 28 seconds was the biggest cluster frick in the history of college football, we won.
And again, I'm not going to get into it with you, because you are stupid and are undeserving of my time.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 6:15 pm to LSUnKaty
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a coach does not win 60+ games in 6 years in the SEC because they are lucky
Miles has not won 60+ games in the SEC.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 6:22 pm to Tiger JJ
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Miles has not won 60+ games in the SEC.
really Greg Brady, that's the best you can do?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 6:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
We won lots of games with a very good program and an excellent group of players. Recruiting has been GREAT.
Our record this year was extraordinary given our level of play. We really played only one truly outstanding game: Alabama.
I have mixed feelings. Great record this season, but the team has not played like a well coached team most Saturdays, and, more disturbingly, hasn't done so for three years.
If that doesn't concern you, your analysis is pretty shallow.
Our record this year was extraordinary given our level of play. We really played only one truly outstanding game: Alabama.
I have mixed feelings. Great record this season, but the team has not played like a well coached team most Saturdays, and, more disturbingly, hasn't done so for three years.
If that doesn't concern you, your analysis is pretty shallow.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 6:43 pm to TheBob
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. Tennessee has our asses beat, then decides to put 13 people on the field. Miles is fricking giddy over the fact that we won the game. Forget the fact that the last 28 seconds was the biggest cluster frick in the history of college football, we won.
Yes we won. You can't take that a way. I know you wish we hadn't so that your negativism would have validity. Sorry boo-boo no pick-a-nick basket for you.
Fast forward to the Florida game boobie.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 7:08 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:I could have sworn LSU plays in the SEC.
a coach does not win 60+ games in 6 years in the SEC because they are lucky
Miles has not won 60+ games in the SEC.
My bad....
He didn't say "60 SEC wins."
Posted on 11/28/10 at 7:13 pm to nitwit
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We won lots of games with a very good program and an excellent group of players. Recruiting has been GREAT.
Our record this year was extraordinary given our level of play. We really played only one truly outstanding game: Alabama.
I have mixed feelings. Great record this season, but the team has not played like a well coached team most Saturdays, and, more disturbingly, hasn't done so for three years.
If that doesn't concern you, your analysis is pretty shallow.
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