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re: Are USC fans calling for Pete Carroll's head?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 7:43 am to Choupique19
Posted on 11/17/09 at 7:43 am to Choupique19
Carroll is not Charlie Weis, Rich Rodriquez or any other coach that is on the hot seat, Carrolls seat is pretty frozen. And most schools would love the opportunity to snatch him if he ever decided to leave USC. USC has suffered its second worst season with Pete Carroll at the helm since he took over. They have lost to Washington, Oregon, and Stanford by a combined score of 118-54. And for the first time in seven years won't be headed to the Rose Bowl or a National Championship.
So far Carroll has won seven consecutive Pac-10 titles and has not lost a Rose Bowl (They lost to Texas at the Rose Bowl but that was the National Championship game) when they have gone. Carrolls only blemishes, Bowl wise, were his first season in the Las Vegas bowl when they lost to Utah and in the National Championship game against Texas.
Also he has brought USC to seven BCS games which no other team has done except Oklahoma since the BCS's inception. USC has gone 6-1 to Oklahoma's 2-5. He has over the past nine seasons (thats including this year) gone 95-18 and has won two National Championships.
So far Carroll has won seven consecutive Pac-10 titles and has not lost a Rose Bowl (They lost to Texas at the Rose Bowl but that was the National Championship game) when they have gone. Carrolls only blemishes, Bowl wise, were his first season in the Las Vegas bowl when they lost to Utah and in the National Championship game against Texas.
Also he has brought USC to seven BCS games which no other team has done except Oklahoma since the BCS's inception. USC has gone 6-1 to Oklahoma's 2-5. He has over the past nine seasons (thats including this year) gone 95-18 and has won two National Championships.
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 7:50 am to BuzBomb
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Nice try, but the PAC 10 is loaded with teams with the calibre of MISSISSIPPI STATE.
That is the biggest load of crap. I didn't know MSU outranked Stanford's and Oregon's and UCLA's recruiting classes.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 7:51 am to Choupique19
I do believe that the majority of the usc fans are not as passionate about their football as the lsu fanbase. Also you still have some lsu saban suppoters out there that say despite nicky being guaranteed at least 1 loss to a lesser opponent each season was and is still a better coach. Until miles and the program really start taking a tumble downward then I say he is just as good especially if he has time to prepare ala his bowl record
Posted on 11/17/09 at 7:52 am to Choupique19
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He has played in 2.5 National Title games
He has played in TWO. Get it right.
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Les Miles had 2 losses in his only National Title year.
If you win the Crystal Football, the number of losses is 10000000% irrelevant.
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Also you still have some lsu saban suppoters out there that say despite nicky being guaranteed at least 1 loss to a lesser opponent each season was and is still a better coach.
I have no love for Saban, but they went undefeated last year until the SEC Champ Game
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 7:53 am
Posted on 11/17/09 at 7:53 am to Choupique19
It seems that Petey is facing the same problem LM is facing - youth at QB.
Next year will be just as bad for USC, which is saying A LOT because they play such a weak schedule. If he were in the SEC with that junk, he'd have more losses hung on him.
Great post.
Next year will be just as bad for USC, which is saying A LOT because they play such a weak schedule. If he were in the SEC with that junk, he'd have more losses hung on him.
Great post.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:00 am to Coonass
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It seems that Petey is facing the same problem LM is facing - youth at QB.
You sound like LSU fans last year that all blamed Lee for the losses last year.
Last year, LSU problem was the DEFENSE not the offense. Same goes for Petey this year. The USC DEFENSE has collapsed.
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 8:01 am
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:08 am to SG_Geaux
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He has played in TWO. Get it right.
As a Tiger fan, I say 2, but if I were a USC fan, I'd be claiming 3 National Title games.
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If you win the Crystal Football, the number of losses is 10000000% irrelevant.
I won't be giving back LSU's national title in 2007, but the fact is that LSU was very lucky to have a shot at the title with 2 losses. USC didn't need Pittsburght to beat West Virginia to win their undefeated National Title in 2004.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:27 am to Choupique19
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I won't be giving back LSU's national title in 2007, but the fact is that LSU was very lucky to have a shot at the title with 2 losses. USC didn't need Pittsburght to beat West Virginia to win their undefeated National Title in 2004.
No they just neede two heisman trophy winners, a weak conference, and six turnovers by oklahoma in the title game. Don't get me wrong, that team was very loaded, but if they would have been challenged before the end of the season, when they had a month to prepare, they probably still owuld have won it all, but perhaps it would have been a 1-loss USC team.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:35 am to Choupique19
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Let him lose to Cal and UCLA two years in a row and come back and ask that question.
not bad...
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- Pete Carroll built the USC powerhouse, Les Miles inherited a loaded program
- Pete Carroll has won 1.5 National Titles and went from Sept. 2003 - January 2006 without losing a game. He has played in 2.5 National Title games. Les Miles had 2 losses in his only National Title year.
- Pete Carroll has won his conference 7 straight years. Les Miles has won 1 conference title.
- Pete Carroll is in his first sub-par season (for that program). Les Miles needs to finish strong to avoid his 2nd straight sub-par year (yes 8-4 would be sub-par).
even better...
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Last year, LSU problem was the DEFENSE not the offense. Same goes for Petey this year. The USC DEFENSE has collapsed.
I like it...smart person alert!
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:46 am to Choupique19
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Pete Carroll built the USC powerhouse, Les Miles inherited a loaded program
WRONG
USC: 2002: 11-2; 2003: 12-1; 2004: 13-0
quote:Carroll also plays in a much easier conference.
Pete Carroll has won 1.5 National Titles and went from Sept. 2003 - January 2006 without losing a game. He has played in 2.5 National Title games. Les Miles had 2 losses in his only National Title year.
- Pete Carroll has won his conference 7 straight years. Les Miles has won 1 conference title.
In 2003, USC's SOS was 34th, LSU's was 15th.
In 2007, USC's SOS was 73rd, LSU's was 14th.
Of course, to be honest in the other years, USC had a high SOS.
I think some good points have been made on both sides, but overall, LSU fans need to chill with a lot of their extremist talk.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:47 am to Choupique19
quote:I didn't know the AP set up a "title game". I thought they just voted in a poll. I guess I have been missing the AP title game every year between their #1 and #2 teams.
As a Tiger fan, I say 2, but if I were a USC fan, I'd be claiming 3 National Title games.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:48 am to DrEdgeLSU
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through the 2007 season, LSU had won 4 division titles, 3 conference titles and 2 national championships. At this point, the defensive coordinator left, a senior starting QB left and LSU had to start over at QB because our starter-in-waiting was dismissed for being a dumbass. We also had to replace a solid defensive coordinator who took a high-profile job at Nebraska. So, clearly there would be growing pains on both sides of the ball.
No, there weren't any growing pains, and that was the problem. There were just pains. There was no growing going on, which is why we were no better off at QB this year than last year, and don't appear likely to be any better off next year than this year. As for defense, yes there has been improvement this year, but I don't attribute any of it to last year's "growth".
In short, 2008 was not a rebuilding year for LSU because we didn't rebuild anything. We didn't develop a quarterback or any defensive players. We just wasted a year and had to start over again this year. This year is what 2008 should have been, and this year should have been a championship contending year.
If USC comes back next year having accomplished nothing in this rebuilding year and basically having to start all over again, some of their fans probably will be calling Pete Carroll to task for it, and rightfully so.
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People point to 2008 results as if they have some relevance to the 2009 season and as if they have been repeated to some degree in 2009.
Of course all season results are relevant. And the 2008 results have been repeated in 2009 in the sense that we again failed to meaningfully compete for any kind of championship. 2009 is only an improvement over 2008 because 2008 was so ridiculously and inexcusably putrid.
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based on how LSU fans react to a subpar season, are USC fans done with Pete Carroll after one subpar season?
No, and neither were LSU fans done with Miles after last season. Nor are LSU fans done with Miles after this season, even though the program is obviously sinking to mediocrity. USC fans and admins are probably smarter than ours, though, so if Carroll wastes this season like Miles wasted 2008, and comes back as weak next season as we did this season, then yes, he might be in trouble.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:49 am to Coonass
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It seems that Petey is facing the same problem LM is facing - youth at QB.
it's more defense
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which is saying A LOT because they play such a weak schedule.
USC doesn't play that weak of a schedule
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:50 am to Choupique19
quote:Yes, but if you were a USC fan, you'd be a dirty bastard, so...
As a Tiger fan, I say 2, but if I were a USC fan, I'd be claiming 3 National Title games.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:53 am to DrEdgeLSU
I hear the same thing in down years about Mack Brown. The Longhorn fans start criticizing him for bad recruiting or not winning games. Interesting article about his 2005 recruiting class (Colt McCoy's class) today in the Houston Chronicle. He only recruited 15 players that year and only 5 are still on the team. Look at where that team is today!
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This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 8:54 am
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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It seems that Petey is facing the same problem LM is facing - youth at QB.
it's more defense
No, Slow, it's both LINK
quote:39th strongest SOS. Pretty weak.
USC doesn't play that weak of a schedule
SFP: 0/2.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 8:59 am to TigerFan55555
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WRONG
USC: 2002: 11-2; 2003: 12-1; 2004: 13-0
Uh, hate to tell you bro, but Carroll won those games..Carroll got there in I believe 2000...Might be a year off..
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:10 am to TigerFan55555
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Uh, hate to tell you bro, but Carroll won those games..Carroll got there in I believe 2000...Might be a year off..
The issue was whether he inherited a good team. If he's going 11-2 and 13-0 a year after he got there, it's pretty safe to say he inherited a good team.
Granted, I hate the "inherited" talk anyway because it's usually baseless as most of the "inherited" players weren't key players under the previous coach anyway, but I address it for comparison sake.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:23 am to Nuts4LSU
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No, and neither were LSU fans done with Miles after last season. Nor are LSU fans done with Miles after this season, even though the program is obviously sinking to mediocrity. USC fans and admins are probably smarter than ours, though, so if Carroll wastes this season like Miles wasted 2008, and comes back as weak next season as we did this season, then yes, he might be in trouble.
So is mediocrity not winning the SEC West every year? And how would 2008 not been a waste in your eyes?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 9:29 am to USMCTiger03
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39th strongest SOS. Pretty weak.
they've played OSU (10), Oregon (11), OSU (19), Stanford (17), and cal (25). 5, top 25 teams (AP)
LSU has played 2 teams (much better than any USC has played, i'll give you) in the top 25
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