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re: Are some of you that invested in Softball to demand a change?

Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by outerstater
Member since Jan 2022
858 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:11 pm to
AT least we need someone that is a good recruiter. That's the whole clue to being successful. We need some heavy hitters. Too many pop-corn hitters. Need someone to knock the fence down. I like softball, but it appears to me that so many of these young gals look toward walking instead of hitting the ball. You can't win many games by walking. But what do I know??
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3669 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:15 pm to
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We lose because she can’t recruit,We lost the Louisiana player of year Ramsey walker she sign with Arkansas


She’s from Shreveport and her dad played baseball for Arkansas.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15108 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:23 pm to
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Beth has done a great job


If a "great job" to you is finishing middle of the pack in the SEC, no regular season SEC titles, no SEC tournament titles, and a WCWS berth every 7-8 years, then Beth is the coach you want. As another poster pointed out, she is the Mark Richt of college softball. She's a nice person who loves her players, but she's not going to win you any national championships, even when she has a squad that's loaded with talent.
Posted by Dwainwright
Member since Jun 2017
754 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:52 pm to
Last years recruiting class was #5 in the country. This years class is #3. Recruiting is definitely not the problem
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
12772 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:13 pm to
I'm INVESTED in every LSU Sport enough to demand a change when long term Program Mediocrity is present. (SEC and National)

Softball is there right now.

Break Even in the SEC and FAIL TO SCORE A SINGLE RUN in the final two games of your Super Regional.

It only gets more difficult next year with Oklahoma and Texas in the SEC.

It's WAY PAST TIME for a change.

Spend the $$$$$ and get somebody in here that can elevate the Program out of the Rank Mediocrity stage.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15108 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:29 pm to
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It's WAY PAST TIME for a change.


I wonder if we could get Glenn Moore to come back to LSU.

He got Baylor to within one game of their 5th WCWS berth.

He's done more with less at Baylor than Beth has to work with at LSU.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
75973 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:36 pm to
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I wonder if we could get Glenn Moore to come back to LSU.

He got Baylor to within one game of their 5th WCWS berth.

He's done more with less at Baylor than Beth has to work with at LSU.

Moore is closer to retirement than moving to a different job and Baylor has missed the tournament more than they've hosted recently. Ya'll have gone past stupid now.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 10:04 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
171876 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:27 pm to
Rick Freeman has done well w southeastern. He’s created a program.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3669 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:41 pm to
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I wonder if we could get Glenn Moore to come back to LSU. He got Baylor to within one game of their 5th WCWS berth. He's done more with less at Baylor than Beth has to work with at LSU.


So, let me get this straight. You want to fire a coach who has been to the WCWS 4 times, but none since 2017 and replace her with a coach who’s been to 4 WCWS, but none since 2017? His getting to within one win of the WCWS this year was somehow better than Torina getting to within one win of the WCWS?
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15108 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:43 pm to
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Moore is closer to retirement than moving to a different job


I suppose that's true, but I still argue that he's done more with less money and support than Beth has.

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Baylor has missed the tournament more than they've hosted recently


The NCAA tournament or the WCWS? Baylor's last trip to OKC was in 2017, the same year as LSU's.

Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3669 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 11:08 pm to
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I'm INVESTED in every LSU Sport enough to demand a change when long term Program Mediocrity is present. (SEC and National)


So you are demanding change in at least 10 of the 16 sports LSU sponsors? Baseball, Women’s Basketball and Gymnastics would only have broken free of your definition of mediocrity in the last year. Men’s Track hadn’t won a national title in 19 years before they got one in 2021. Women’s track hasn’t won since 2008, so combined perhaps the track program has also slipped into mediocrity. Football is on the verge of slipping back into mediocrity as well apparently. That leaves Beach Volleyball. They don’t have a title either but they’ve been to the final 8 several years in a row. Something tells me overall you aren’t as consistent in demanding change as you claim or your idea of what is realistic in any program isn’t reasonable.

The softball program isn’t Oklahoma or even Florida or Alabama, but they aren’t mediocre. 7 Super Regionals in 9 years is more than all but a handful of programs. No, they haven’t gotten over the hump to make it back to the WCWS in the last 6 years, but it’s not like LSU had a track record of consistently making it there prior to her arrival. A few programs have had the stars align to make one WCWS run since the last time LSU was there, but there are only 11 that have made it multiple times. Stanford is riding the back of one great pitcher so it remains to be seen if they are really a sustained program. Georgia had 2 runs in 2018 and 2021, but no sustained excellence. There are 6-8 programs that stand out from all the rest. LSU is the next level after that in the top 10-12. It’s not where Torina put them in 2015-17, but it’s not mediocre.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5619 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:47 am to
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The softball program isn’t Oklahoma or even Florida or Alabama, but they aren’t mediocre. 7 Super Regionals in 9 years is more than all but a handful of programs. No, they haven’t gotten over the hump to make it back to the WCWS in the last 6 years, but it’s not like LSU had a track record of consistently making it there prior to her arrival. A few programs have had the stars align to make one WCWS run since the last time LSU was there, but there are only 11 that have made it multiple times. Stanford is riding the back of one great pitcher so it remains to be seen if they are really a sustained program. Georgia had 2 runs in 2018 and 2021, but no sustained excellence. There are 6-8 programs that stand out from all the rest. LSU is the next level after that in the top 10-12. It’s not where Torina put them in 2015-17, but it’s not mediocre.


yea would we want to fire a basketball coach that made 7 sweet 16s and 4 elite 8s in the same time period? Probably would want to build him a statue instead of calling him mediocre
Posted by StatMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
4423 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:23 am to
You only fire a coach if you can surely replace them with someone better. Alabama and Oklahoma’s coaches are t coming. Who else is considerably better that would be available?

PS Woodward has sent out inquiries to various coaches and was ready to pull the trigger last year, but his target turned the offer down.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 8:25 am
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
75973 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:50 am to
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The NCAA tournament or the WCWS? Baylor's last trip to OKC was in 2017, the same year as LSU's.

The NCAA tournament. Since 2017 they haven't hosted a regional and have missed the tourney twice. The idea he's done more is just wrong.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 8:55 am
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15108 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:05 am to
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The idea he's done more is just wrong.


When you look at his overall winning percentage and what he's done at Baylor, where he arguably receives less funding and support than LSU, I'd say he's been a better bang for the buck than Torina has.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
75973 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:26 am to
So she is judged by recent years and not getting to OKC but you use his whole tenure and ignore that he's been worse during the same time period she gets knocked for.
Also he has a worse overall record in an easier conference.
And while I'm sure they have less resources than LSU lets not act like Baylor is Lamar. They got money and put more into it than everybody in their conference except the Oklahoma schools and Texas.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 9:32 am
Posted by FireawayLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2023
1057 posts
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:11 am to
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You don't think that Carly Hoover and Allie Walljasper were pretty damn elite?


Ok even given you those two (which honestly is a stretch) because our definition of elite is a tad different. Two out of how many years Beth has been here????
Posted by TexasNTiger
Member since May 2024
6 posts
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:37 am to
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Last years recruiting class was #5 in the country. This years class is #3. Recruiting is definitely not the problem


It is 100% of the problem outside of Dobson being a terrible hitting coach.

Don't ever believe softball rankings for recruits or recruiting. There is no impartiality to it. Parents submit inflated states and write ups about their kid to the various outlets and they all of a sudden become "ranked"

I know most of the kids in both classes and it isn't anywhere near as strong as those number indicate.

Also, she's blown up her recruiting budget. Most of the 25' class are walk ons or are coming with very little scholarship money. She's sold the future for the present and can't get over the hump either way.

It's going to be dark times in the near future when LSU finally pulls the trigger either by firing her or not extending that contract past 26 with the way she's managed the program to date. And with Texas and OU coming, LSU is going to fall below the middle of the pack in the SEC.
Posted by Casualobserver1985
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2021
703 posts
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:46 pm to
Hopefully changes happen and we hit portal hard
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 6:47 pm
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35251 posts
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:48 pm to
Y'all sre still having this tired conversation? You all say the same things over and over. Not that you are right or wrong. But it's so repetitive.
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