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Are midweek game results indicative of LSU's post-season results? Article linked...
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:42 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:42 am
Linked below is a good article describing if midweek games results for LSU baseball are a good predictor of how LSU does in the post season.
Highlights:
1) LSU has gone undefeated in mid-week games only twice in its history, 2012 & 2013, both under Mainieri. Skip never went undefeated in mid-week games.
2) In 2011, LSU went 12-2 in midweek games, one of the best mid-week years under Mainieri except for the two undefeated seasons, YET, LSU didn't make the NCAA post season that year.
3) In 2017, when LSU finished as runner up in the College World Series, the team had its worst mid-week record under Mainieri, 8-6. That same year LSU won the SEC regular season, won the SEC Tournament, and "rolled until the finals of the College World Series."
4) LSU went 10-4 in midweek games in 2018 but didn’t host an NCAA regional like the Tigers did last season, when they lost five midweek games.
5) "Midweek games have become more difficult as talent increases across college baseball. Beginning with the 2009 season, the NCAA limited roster sizes and restricted the number of players on scholarship. The new rules prevented teams from carrying more than 35 players. Some teams under former LSU coach Skip Bertman had 40 to 45 players. The changes created parity."
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Highlights:
1) LSU has gone undefeated in mid-week games only twice in its history, 2012 & 2013, both under Mainieri. Skip never went undefeated in mid-week games.
2) In 2011, LSU went 12-2 in midweek games, one of the best mid-week years under Mainieri except for the two undefeated seasons, YET, LSU didn't make the NCAA post season that year.
3) In 2017, when LSU finished as runner up in the College World Series, the team had its worst mid-week record under Mainieri, 8-6. That same year LSU won the SEC regular season, won the SEC Tournament, and "rolled until the finals of the College World Series."
4) LSU went 10-4 in midweek games in 2018 but didn’t host an NCAA regional like the Tigers did last season, when they lost five midweek games.
5) "Midweek games have become more difficult as talent increases across college baseball. Beginning with the 2009 season, the NCAA limited roster sizes and restricted the number of players on scholarship. The new rules prevented teams from carrying more than 35 players. Some teams under former LSU coach Skip Bertman had 40 to 45 players. The changes created parity."
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:58 am to LSURussian
I think LSU will be better overall this year in midweek games...3 true freshmen started their first road games, 2 sophomores who barely played, and a new JUCO. It's going to take them weeks to figure out which lineup is the best as well as the youngsters to start getting hot.
With that being said it's very frustrating watching them sometimes.
With that being said it's very frustrating watching them sometimes.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:03 am to LSURussian
Correlation does not imply causation. It's nice to think that midweek games have some bearing on the postseason, but they simply don't. We'll win 40+ games this season again and will likely, at minimum, host another regional. Everyone needs to calm their tits and enjoy the sport. We'll be just fine.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:07 am to LSURussian
quote:I don't think people understand this. I am 50. In 1987 you could look at a baseball team and pick out the studs in a matter of minutes. If you could put together a few studs, you could win playoff games and compete for HS State championships. Now, with the proliferation of youth baseball there are a TON of good ball players out there. You can watch team to team and it takes a good while to see which players are more skilled, better tooled than their peers....even then the differences are pretty small.
"Midweek games have become more difficult as talent increases across college baseball.
These kids can play, many if them end up in jucos, or regional schools that are not that desirable as destinations. Yet, they are good and can play the game.
Watch tourney ball, you will see certain teams win a lot, but on occasion that lower tier team will dominate a week.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:08 am to Spelt it rong
quote:This team is going to be fun. Forget the hitting aspect for now, just enjoy the pitching we are going to see.
Everyone needs to calm their tits and enjoy the sport. We'll be just fine.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:11 am to LSURussian
LSU used to play well in midweek games up until 2017. Even during the down years they’d play well.
It’s a recent problem since 2017. Clearly it shows Mainieri no longer prepares or cares like he used to.
It’s a recent problem since 2017. Clearly it shows Mainieri no longer prepares or cares like he used to.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:11 am to LSURussian
Wasn’t there a scheduling change several years ago that shrunk the season which led to more weeks where teams played five games per week instead of four?
Few college teams have four front line starters and hardly any have five which exposes your staff to a greater extent. Now we see a lot of Johnny whole staff to accommodate four and five game weeks.
The more back line pitching the greater chance of an upset.
Few college teams have four front line starters and hardly any have five which exposes your staff to a greater extent. Now we see a lot of Johnny whole staff to accommodate four and five game weeks.
The more back line pitching the greater chance of an upset.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:23 am to Adam4848
quote:
I think LSU will be better overall this year in midweek games...3 true freshmen started their first road games, 2 sophomores who barely played, and a new JUCO. It's going to take them weeks to figure out which lineup is the best as well as the youngsters to start getting hot.
With that being said it's very frustrating watching them sometimes.
MLB teams practice all day for weeks and play 28-30 games before the season starts. College teams have to use regular season games to get ready for conference play. The first month is to get guys ready and to find out what you have.
You have to be patient as a fan and understand the process. There is adversity to deal with and everybody should know that. Too many do not. They expect domination on day one.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:24 am to Number 9 Fan
quote:Yes, the start date for the season has been pushed back later in February due to northern schools complaining they were at a competitive disadvantage.
Wasn’t there a scheduling change several years ago that shrunk the season which led to more weeks where teams played five games per week instead of four?
It means more weeks with 2 midweek games.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:32 am to LSURussian
quote:
It means more weeks with 2 midweek games.
So you will see a team’s pitching staff really tested early. Front line guys are on strict pitch counts, so the guy next up comes in sooner, and by the time gamed four and five roll around you are very deep into your pen.
In those situations anything can happen.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:47 am to LSURussian
Don't bring your rational logic b.s. here.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:48 am to LSURussian
quote:
Skip never went undefeated in mid-week games.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:51 am to Adam4848
quote:
With that being said it's very frustrating watching them sometimes.
Last night was frustrating as shite but there is a difference in this team sucks tonight, they have a lot of stuff to work on & fire everyone, kick a puppy and the world is ending.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:24 am to LSURussian
Was waiting for a post like this, thanks for taking the time to do the work
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:35 am to LSURussian
Midweek games are nothing more than scrimmage games where you “try out new things or players”
Posted on 2/20/20 at 11:52 am to josh336
quote:You're welcome, josh, but I really didn't do much work. The Advocate article I linked is in today's online edition so all I did was read it, summarize a few highlights from it and link it.
thanks for taking the time to do the work
It's a very timely article, imo, since many posters on here apparently think a baseball season is over if we lose one, or more than one, midweek game.
I suspect the Advocate's sportswriter who wrote the article, Wilson Alexander, must read the Rant and he did all the legwork researching the correlation between midweek game records and how the team does overall that season after reading all the Chicken Little posts on here.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:21 pm to LSURussian
Good post. Thanks
Posted on 2/20/20 at 12:46 pm to LSURussian
Midweek games usually don't matter in the SEC, however, the losses typically come from lack of pitching depth.
So I do think these games matter this year from the standpoint that if/when we lose it likely won't be because the other pitching staff was better.
It will likely expose how poor our hitting (and sometimes defense) is which would be a telling sign as to how far this team can go
So I do think these games matter this year from the standpoint that if/when we lose it likely won't be because the other pitching staff was better.
It will likely expose how poor our hitting (and sometimes defense) is which would be a telling sign as to how far this team can go
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:10 pm to LSURussian
I was hoping someone else might come to the same the conclusion (theory??) from the "highlights" I posted in the OP that I have just so I don't appear to be completely crazy.
It almost appears to me that Mainieri knows when he has a team that can go a long way in the post-season so he "sacrifices" mid-week games, like in 2017, in order to learn the most about which players he can count on when we get to the post-season.
In those years where he believes we don't have the talent for much of a post-season run, like in 2011 & 2012, he puts more emphasis on winning the mid-week games.
I've never heard him say that, it's just my observation that there appears to be an almost inverse relationship between the W-L record of mid-week games and how far we go in the post-season, IF we make the post-season.
Then again, since no one else saw that correlation, maybe I am crazy...
It almost appears to me that Mainieri knows when he has a team that can go a long way in the post-season so he "sacrifices" mid-week games, like in 2017, in order to learn the most about which players he can count on when we get to the post-season.
In those years where he believes we don't have the talent for much of a post-season run, like in 2011 & 2012, he puts more emphasis on winning the mid-week games.
I've never heard him say that, it's just my observation that there appears to be an almost inverse relationship between the W-L record of mid-week games and how far we go in the post-season, IF we make the post-season.
Then again, since no one else saw that correlation, maybe I am crazy...
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 4:12 pm
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