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Aranda's Defense is #7 in the Nation - "Average Scoring Margin"

Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:46 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:46 am
Spread up-tempo offenses have made the "Points Against" stat obsolete. The days of rating a DC by points scored-against are over, IMO. And, the days of averaging 15 opponents-points on the season are also about over.

A better measure against up-tempo Spread offenses is "Average Scoring Margin". Even after a tough test on the road against Texas, LSU is ranked #7 nationally.

Certainly, there are some fundamentals that LSU can greatly improve. But, Aranda's D is performing far better than old-school stats would indicate.

[BTW, those 2 goal-line stands in Austin were game-changers. The D never got enough credit for those, IMO.]

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This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 11:47 am
Posted by burke985
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:48 am to
Scoring fast does not affect a defenses ability to tackle.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:48 am to
Against Vandy, the defense had 9 tackles for loss, two INTs and a blocked punt. They held Vandy to 17 first downs, the same number Vandy had against UGA. They forced seven three and outs and eight punts. Vandy averaged just 21.6 yards per drive. Vandy had negative yardage on more than 25% of their carries.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:50 am to
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Scoring fast does not affect a defenses ability to tackle.


Say it louder for those in the back!

Missing tackles and Gap assignments are not a product of an up-tempo spread offense

The defense is just not that good right now. Let's get healthy and work on fundamentals before going into the gauntlet of SEC play
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:52 am to
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Scoring fast does not affect a defenses ability to tackle.


Tackling is a combination of mental/physical strength and overall skill as a player.

Not using your arms to wrap up or bouncing off of players can certainly be attributed to poor mental/physical conditioning.

This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 11:53 am
Posted by lsu2006
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Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:52 am to
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The defense is just not that good right now.

It's also nowhere near as bad as many on here would have you believe. Of course there are things to correct, which you touched on, but we're not that far off from being a damn strong defense.
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:53 am to
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They held Vandy to 17 first downs, the same number Vandy had against UGA
Vandy also had 4 more offensive possessions against us
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:54 am to
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Even after a tough test on the road against Texas, LSU is ranked #7 nationally.


this might be a useful stat at the end of the year but with 2 cupcakes and one of our worst conference opponents it doesn't mean much. I really doubt anyone will think OU has a top 10 type of defense at the end of the year.

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:55 am to
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The defense is just not that good right now. Let's get healthy and work on fundamentals before going into the gauntlet of SEC play


The defense is actually pretty good, but could be much better if they were tackling well. There is a difference.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:55 am to
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Missing tackles and Gap assignments are not a product of an up-tempo spread offense
Valid point. But I trust O and Aranda will get that sloppy stuff ironed out.

Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:55 am to
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Scoring fast does not affect a defenses ability to tackle.


Fatigue absolutely puts you out of position resulting in broken tackles
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:56 am to
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Fatigue absolutely puts you out of position resulting in broken tackles




In the first quarter?
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
65497 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:56 am to
Opp Yards/Play 4.6 (#23)
Opp Yards/Rush 3.1 (#25)
Opp Completion % 56.12% (#30)
Opp Yards/Pass 6.8 (#42)
Sack % 9.26% (#24)

some of you need to calm down. this defense has some new pieces and injuries. it will be top 15 if not top 10 in no time.

the only thing they are really struggling at is takeaways:
Takeaways/Game 1.3 (#70)

so if you gripe about anything it should be that they havent forced fumbles?
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 11:58 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:58 am to
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Fatigue absolutely puts you out of position resulting in broken tackles

Aranda's D is deep enough to substitute much more. And I hope he does against up-tempo O's, and in response to LSU's up-tempo/fast-scoring O.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 12:00 pm
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 11:59 am to
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Say it louder for those in the back!

Missing tackles and Gap assignments are not a product of an up-tempo spread offense

The defense is just not that good right now. Let's get healthy and work on fundamentals before going into the gauntlet of SEC play


But does being tired, with insufficient time to rest and recover, cause missed tackles? Does being tired effect decision making? Does having less that 2-3 minutes on the sideline alter the ability to discuss assignments and make adjustments?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23716 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:00 pm to
I see the upside and possibilities for the defense. Like many others, I would love for every player and every unit to be perfect. But in the real world, we have a pretty solid defense which can get better with things like better tackling.

At least we are talking about skills that can be improved with practice and playing time. There is no merit to doom and gloom talk at this time.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9581 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:00 pm to
now people are starting to get it... been saying the same thing for a few weeks... and you could add another reference... look at the adjustments he makes and the effects...


i almost wish he would come out in the first series doing the complete opposite of what he normally does to get better results vs the scripted plays... thats where the coach told him about "he better change it up because theres film out on him"... the first series are giving him problems because of that...


Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18930 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:01 pm to
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Against Vandy, the defense had 9 tackles for loss, two INTs and a blocked punt. They held Vandy to 17 first downs, the same number Vandy had against UGA. They forced seven three and outs and eight punts. Vandy averaged just 21.6 yards per drive. Vandy had negative yardage on more than 25% of their carries.

You can add that 8 out of 16 drives resulted in 3 & outs.
Posted by TiggerB8t
Member since Oct 2013
691 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:01 pm to
Missed tackles many times is a result of the player being out of position and trying to recover yet not having both feet and body positioned properly to even attempt at "wrapping up".

Also, give some credit to the opposition RB's in cases where there were true "missed tackles" - the kid from Vandy is NFL quality - Duvernay was also a tough kid to bring down with lots of moves to keep the defender from getting good leverage for a tackle.

I think our biggest problem is in leadership - someone to make sure our players are lined up properly and covering the right guys - Devin White was critical to that last year, and Divinity has either been injured or held back for other reasons this year, so there's not been consistent leadership. I expected Delpit to rise to the top on the DB side of things, and maybe help with the LB's, especially on pass coverage - but, he's been MIA himself much too often.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:03 pm to
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some of you need to calm down. this defense has some new pieces and injuries. it will be top 15 if not top 10 in no time.

Nah it won't. But that's okay

A top 20-30 defense with this offense should be CFP worthy.

Hell Oklahoma last year was like 106th in total defense
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