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dgnx6
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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What factually cannot be argued is that after initially refusing to meet Wade did meet after a month and was reinstated.


people swore up and down he cheated when there was zero evidence other than someone saying he was on wire tap. No proof of this has been provided by any one. Yet some portions of our fan base and our admin jumped the gun and assumed guilt. That is the only frick up here.


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Lester Earl
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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Federal investigation supersedes NCAA request.


That’s been proven false on more than one occasion


deathvalleytiger10
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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NCAA requested to be there. LSU must comply. It’s in the same laws you are trying to cite.


No sir, that is incorrect. I've read the bylaws and even posted them here last month.

The NCAA can request a meeting with member personnel and the member school can ask to attend, or...

The member school can ask the NCAA to attend.

But, as I said in my post, no where in the bylaws does it say that the NCAA can sit in on any meeting at any time.
Your are asserting they have that authority. They do not.

LSU can hold meetings with their personnel as they see fit and the NCAA has no authority to demand to be present. The NCAA does have the authority to request a meeting with member school personnel.

Bottom line, LSU could have met with Wade before they had a meeting with Wade and the NCAA present.


Ted_Stryker
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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That’s been proven false on more than one occasion



Where's this proof you speak of?


Higgysmalls
Member since Jun 2016
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
They would have lost to Mich st either way


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Lester Earl
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
I’m not digging thru it but you definitely read them wrong. NCAA basically has unlimited jurisdiction and especially so when there is potential infractions


bencoleman
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
Livid over the wasted season. How far could the team have gone with their coach. I don't understand why more people aren't outraged over the idiocy of Alleva and FKing. Not to mention the trash running the BOS.


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deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
I guarantee you that you are wrong.

There are set rules on how inquiries and investigations take place. It is all easy to read and comprehend.

You don't want to dig through it because you really have never looked at it. You just state things as fact when you have no idea.

Again, the rules are quite clear and what I posted is 100% accurate.

But go ahead and keep defending your position



Lester Earl
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
2.8.1 Responsibility of Institution. [*] Each institution shall comply with all applicable rules and regulations of the Association in the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics programs. It shall monitor its programs to ensure compliance and to identify and report to the Association instances in which compliance has not been achieved. In any such instance, the institution shall cooperate fully with the Association and shall take appropriate corrective actions. Members of an institution's staff, student- athletes, and other individuals and groups representing the institution's athletics interests shall comply with the applicable Association rules, and the member institution shall be responsible for such compliance.

Furthermore, read 10.01 on unethical conduct.

You are wrong. The reports that the NCAA requested they be present were 100% accurate, and stated by 3 different sources. Because, of course, they have every right to be there as LSU is an active member of the NCAA.


studentsect
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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No. It looks like we got through it unscathed and the team played as well as they would have with Will Wade, so no damage there.



I'm not sure that's accurate. Would Wade have been the difference between winning or losing to Michigan State a few weeks ago? Almost definitely not. But he might've made a difference in the overtime loss to UF in the SEC Tournament, and if LSU plays better in the SEC Tourney we would've ended up seeded differently, and then who knows?

LSU beat 2 of the teams that made it to the Elite 8 this year, so it's not at all obvious that the Sweet 16 was the absolute ceiling for this team.

And that's not even considering the potential damage done to recruiting (or retaining the current players). LSU's 2020 basketball team will almost certainly be worse than it would've been had LSU handled this differently.

There is no bonus for being aggressively cautious about NCAA compliance, and surely no one other than Joe Alleva thinks this whole saga has increased LSU's reputation as a rule-follower.


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deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
32.3 Investigative Procedures

Go read that section as it details how investigations take place. This is the section on rules for investigations.

There is a defined outline on this. What I posted is a summary of what the bylaw states.

What you posted is a generic statement saying they must cooperate fully. And, your quote states...

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institution's athletics interests shall comply with the applicable Association rules, and the member institution shall be responsible for such compliance.


The rules for investigations are outlined Lester. Your quote states the institutions must follow the rules.

Now show me the rule that states the NCAA has the authority to sit in on any meeting it chooses. THEY CAN'T!

In fact, as I have posted, there are defined bylaws on how meetings take place.

Again, you are wrong.


Madking
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
The FBI supersedes any NCAA investigation

“Wrong the NCAA basically has unlimited jurisdiction and especially so when there is potential infractions”


Lmfao that you would even say this shows just how stupid and ignorant you really are.
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deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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32.3.4 Interviews with Member Institution. The athletics director or other appropriate official of an institution shall be contacted by the enforcement staff in order to schedule interviews on the institution’s campus with enrolled student-athletes, coaching staff members or other institutional staff members with athletically related responsibilities or oversight who are involved in possible violations at the institution


This is the first way I outlined earlier that the NCAA can interview personnel.

And, as I posted, the school can request to attend..

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32.3.4.1 Presence of Institutional Representative During Interview. If an interview with an enrolled student-athlete or athletics department staff member is conducted on the campus of an institution, an institutional representative(s) (as designated by the institution) will be permitted to be present during the interview, provided the subject matter to be discussed in the interview relates directly to the individual’s institution or could affect the individual’s eligibility or employment at the institution


There are set rules on how this takes place. The NCAA has every right, as outlined above, to interview Wade.

They do not have the authority to sit in on any meeting they want. LSU has every right to meet with their employees without the NCAA present.
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Tammany Tom
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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Ask him. Why did it take him 35 days to talk?



Are you even an LSU fan? Anyone that takes glee in the fact that the Head Coach that built a fantastic team in two short years and led them to a SEC Championship was suspended and not allowed to coach his team in the tournament is not a fan. Sorry.

I don't know how any LSU fan, with a shred of intelligence, can side with the administration on this issue and laugh about our coach not talking to the administration.


Godfather1
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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you need help

238336 posts.

Yeah, I’d say so.


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Lester Earl
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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What you posted is a generic statement saying they must cooperate fully. And, your quote states...


Because it is supposed to be broad. That is what gives them authority. It’s spelled out over and over again throughout their lists of rules concerning compliance

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32.3 Investigative Procedures

Go read that section as it details how investigations take place. This is the section on rules for investigations.

There is a defined outline on this. What I posted is a summary of what the bylaw states.


Post whatever you feel is applicable and I’ll look over it.


Madking
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
He’s a fake LSU fan but that’s not what his crusade is about. Lester is too small of a person to ever admit he’s wrong. He’s been proven wrong several times over Wade’s team in the past but won’t admit it. He said we’d never win with Tremont Waters because Waters wasn’t any good and was a losing player. He’s been at that one for two years but when we started winning he couldn’t admit he was wrong about it, instead he tried to lie just like now. Which takes me to the present, when this first started Lester labeled Wade a cheater and guilty beyond a doubt in Lester’s mind. So he can’t go back you see, he can’t be wrong so he’ll continue to lie and make stupid statements about this forever. Look at this thread, someone literally just posted the NCAA rule for him and instead of admitting he was wrong he says “he’ll look over it” in other words if it fits his agenda he’ll acknowledge the rule if it doesn’t he won’t, like it’s up to him to decide what the rule is lol. Case in point.
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Lester Earl
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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Are you even an LSU fan?


Damn right I am.

I am not intellectually dishonest though.


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I don't know how any LSU fan, with a shred of intelligence, can side with the administration on this issue and laugh about our coach not talking to the administration.




because I know right from wrong and understand procedure?

Is your brain not capable of anything besides being an LSU fan?


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deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
598 posts

re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
Lol! Just admit your wrong. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

The NCAA could not function if they did not have set rules on investigations. They can’t make the rules as they go. No matter what you think.

Everything is detailed to protect the NCAA. And, if they don’t follow their own rules, they would lose in a court of law.

C’mon man, you are smarter than this.



Lester Earl
Chicago Cubs Fan
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re: Anyone else somehow actually more pissed about the Wade situation now?
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The NCAA could not function if they did not have set rules on investigations


Lol it wasnt an investigation


there is a reason you are scared to post it.


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