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re: Any Trey Holly updates?

Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:33 pm to
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:33 pm to
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You don’t charge someone “to see how everything shakes out”.


But some DAs have been known to over-charge accessories or supposed accessories to get them to plead down and flip on the true perp. Remember Ray Lewis?
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7850 posts
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:45 pm to
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And it is absolutely NOT uncommon at all for cops to overcharge initially.

I’m pretty sure cops aren’t the ones who decide what a person is charged with.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10445 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 8:25 am to
The DA's have 0 accountability. They can prosecute or not as they please. Juries are instructed to "follow the law". And if the law is unjust, the DA and police corrupt? What then?
Posted by CRW
Destrahan
Member since Aug 2016
1096 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 9:34 am to
Its unfortunate in todays society that what use to be
inocent until proven guilty now is just the opposite.The
fact that he is of color even makes it more so.I dont know
what happened and wont speculate,but I hope for THs sake
his life isnt ruined.
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
3926 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 9:55 am to
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I mean this is my point with people not understanding at all how this works. The cops aren’t charging him



Likely that this was presented to a grand jury.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95380 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:24 am to
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Its unfortunate in todays society that what use to be inocent until proven guilty now is just the opposite
Innocent til proven guilty still exists. It’s working in the Holly case too. He is freely living his life

The law is not “freedom from judgement and inclusion in things until proven guilty”
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21076 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:42 am to
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I’m pretty sure cops aren’t the ones who decide what a person is charged with


Initially they do. In this case, where an arrest wasn't made immediately, they got a warrant. That warrant had to be signed by a judge. The cop brings the warrant, with said charge, and the judge determines if there is enough probable cause to issue a warrant. Probable cause is a whole lot different than what the DA needs to be able to actually prosecute. If there isn't enough then the DA can decide to amend the charges to something else, or not prosecute at all.

In the vast majority of cases, the cops are initially bringing up the charges though.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21076 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:45 am to
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Likely that this was presented to a grand jury.


You think the case was presented to a grand jury before any chargers were decided?

So many people in this thread are pretending to know what they are talking about, but clearly have absolutely no clue.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260746 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:47 am to
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You think the case was presented to a grand jury before any chargers were decided?

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The grand jury is a constitutional requirement for certain types of crimes (meaning it is written in the United States Constitution) so that a group of citizens who do not know the defendant can make an unbiased decision about the evidence before voting to charge an individual with a crime.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7850 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 10:49 am to
Right. So they can recommend a charge, but they don't have final say. I'm sure when you are getting into attempted murder territory, the DA isn't just saying yeah let's go with whatever the cops want without putting any thought into it right? I'm not going to pretend to be some judicial expert, I was just referring to the fact that the cops aren't the ones with final say.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21076 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:04 am to
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The grand jury is a constitutional requirement for certain types of crimes (meaning it is written in the United States Constitution) so that a group of citizens who do not know the defendant can make an unbiased decision about the evidence before voting to charge an individual with a crime


Correct. But it goes to the grand jury AFTER the charges have been made against somebody. And the grand jury decides if there is enough evidence for the charges to proceed to the next step, which is court.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260746 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:05 am to
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The grand jury is a constitutional requirement for certain types of crimes (meaning it is written in the United States Constitution) so that a group of citizens who do not know the defendant can make an unbiased decision about the evidence before voting to charge an individual with a crime



Correct.



\Good to see you realize your rant was again worthless.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7850 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:07 am to
I don't think he is saying what you are thinking. This case hasn't gone before a grand jury yet.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21076 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:11 am to
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Right. So they can recommend a charge, but they don't have final say


You can sit here and try to argue semantics all you want. But yes, the cops are initially charging. If the cops sort through everything immediately and determine person X is a suspect in an attempted murder, they can arrest that person right there with no warrant.

In this case, it took enough time for them to sort through everything, and come up with suspects. Or they wanted to take their time, given the nature of the person involved, and go the route of getting a warrant. They bring the findings of the case to a judge and he just determines if there is probable cause or not. He isn't determining what the crime was. In almost all cases there is probable cause to sign a warrant. Just like in most cases a grand jury will decide to indict.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21076 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:12 am to
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Good to see you realize your rant was again worthless.


What I said and what you quoted are completely different. You are attempting a gotcha moment, and all you are doing is proving how dumb you actually are yet again.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21437 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:32 am to
IDK anything about TH. I have friends in the police dept at Farmerville that they were not surprised at all about the incident. Said TH doesn't hang out with angels. FWIW.
Posted by Menatiger
Mena, Arkanss
Member since Sep 2018
1139 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:51 am to
You are “presumed” innocent until proven guilty according to the law. Not all cases go to a grand jury. The court of public opinion is always open to debate on the evidence known to the public.

I can deduce from the information provided by news outlets that two persons out of a group were injured by three different firearms. Conflicting statements for the motive of the shootings. Multiple persons statements put three people at the scene behind those firearms. At least one firearm was recovered to my knowledge. Three people were arrested. I haven’t followed this case closely nor have I googled anything. I live out of state. My only connection is like most of y’all as an avid Tiger fan. I hope Mr Holly didn’t do this for his and the teams sake.

If this happened in my small town I would probably think he was involved knowing what little I know. It’s best the public know as little as possible and the accused say as little as possible so the jury pool is not compromised.

You can debate guilt or innocence all you want to but at the end of the day your opinion and mine has no bearing whatsoever on the case. BTW O.J. was GUILTY!
Posted by BDoubleEZ
Burleson, TX
Member since Sep 2021
660 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:56 am to
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Said TH doesn't hang out with angels.


We used to live there and still have friends and family there and we've heard the same thing. Actually what we heard was that it was only a matter time before something like this happened with TH. Doesn't mean he did it but the popular opinion around Farmerville is that nobody would be surprised if he did.
Posted by Kocin
Pearland Texas
Member since Feb 2017
625 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:56 am to
Or found guilty and sent to prison only to find out years later oh wrong person
Posted by Menatiger
Mena, Arkanss
Member since Sep 2018
1139 posts
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:06 pm to
I do have a friend from there my age and I met him through the Air Force. He doesn’t know anything more than I do accept watching high school games he was in and folks yacking about not being surprised he was mixed up in something like this.
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